DAVEH is it just for God to forever physically torture that person? 
 
Pr 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
 
RM 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his WRATH, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
Two factors need to be introduced here.
The sins you commit though of a Temporal or Finiote  nature are an offense against a being of a Infinite, Eternal nature.
The sacrifice of a mere mortal man would not sufice as a payment of a debt against this Infinite, Eternal being, That is why only Jesus an Infinite, Eternal being could satisfy that debt.
 
 "The Trinity in the Universe" Published in 1978,  reprinted in 1984 by Kriegel Publications. Here is a paragraph that shows the connection between Time and the God who CREATED it. Note it reads with perfect logic with time (past, present and future) or God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

Time reflects the Trinity

The Future (Father) is the source. The Future (Father) is unseen, unknown, except as it continually embodies itself and makes itself visible in the Present (Son). The Present (Son) is what we see, and hear, and know. It is ceaselessly embodying the Future (Father), day by day, hour by hour, moment by moment. It is perpetually revealing the Future (Father), hitherto invisible.

The Future (Father) is logically first, but not chronologically. For the Present (Son) exists as long as Time (God) exists, and was in the absolute beginning of Time (God). It makes itself visible only in the Present (Son). The Future (Father) acts, and reveals itself, through the Present (Son). It is through the Present (Son) that Time (God), that the Future (Father), enters into union with human life. Time (God) and humanity Meet and unite in the Present (Son). It is in the Present (Son) that Time (God), that the Future (Father), becomes a part of human life, and so is born and lives and dies in the human life.

The Past (Holy Spirit) in turn comes from the Present (Son). We cannot say that it embodies the Present (Son). On the contrary Time (God) in issuing from the Present (Son) into the Past (Holy Spirit) becomes invisible again. The Past (Holy Spirit) does not embody the Present (Son). Rather it proceeds silently, endlessly, invisibly from it.

But the Present (Son) is not the source of the Past (Holy Spirit) which proceeds form it. The Future (Father) is the source of both the Present (Son) and the Past (Holy Spirit). The Past (Holy Spirit) issues in endless, invisible procession form the Present (Son), but, back of that, from the Future (Father) out of which the Present (Son) comes.

The Present (Son) therefore comes out from the invisible Future (Father). The Present (Son) perpetually and ever-newly embodies the Future (Father) in visible, audible, and livable form: and returns again into invisible Time (God) in the Past (Holy Spirit).

The Past (Holy Spirit) acts invisibly. It continually influences us with regard to the Present (Son). It casts light upon the Present (Son). That is its great function. It helps us to live in the Present (Son) which we know, and with reference to the Future (Father) which we expect to see.

Wow God is truly awesome!!!!

J I Packer
God is Triune; there are within the Godhead three Persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost; and the work of salvation is one in which all three act together, the Father purposing redemption, the Son securing it, and the Spirit applying it.

The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's Name. The Spirit is subject to the Father for the Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name. The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as by the Father. J.I. Packer, Knowing God (Downers Grove, Ill: Inter-Varsity Press, 1973), p. 70



Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH:  The question is what qualifies as justice, Kevin.  If in a few unthinking moments of rebellion one decides to eschew Jesus for another (Muslim) religion for example, is it just for God to forever physically torture that person?   I understand that Jesus paid a terrible price for us.  But did not his suffering last a finite amount of time?  Yet the justice many Protestants presume God will mete out is a much worse physical torture than Jesus endured that continues forever.   How do you equate these two enormously painful physical punishments that are caused by torture so that justice is served, when one is a temporary pain, and the other is infinite?

Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH says I just don't feel comfortable believing in a God who relishes torture, Lance.  I prefer to believe God is loving, merciful and would that all his creation benefit from their existence.
 
I am sure all condemned criminals also prefer Mercy rather than Justice.


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