Judy, you're partly right: I overstated it
when I said that there is absolutely no difference between "#$%&
you" and "You are of your father the devil". I really meant they are
potentially the same when used to express a certain attitude towards the other
person and ourselves. The same in the way that calling our brother a
fool and murdering him are the same. And yes,
people have said these or similar things to others on TT whose only "sin" is
that they disagree.
Thank you Debbie for letting me know that
you see this. If DavidM spoke of sin I believe he would be referring to
attitude. I've seen Kevin point to lies and point to where they come from and
I've talked of the accuser myself in an effort to get a certain one to see
that he is
being used that way.
BTW, I do not see that at all in those two 1
John verses.
1 John 2:28,29 speaks of the Second Coming
when He will appear as Judge and John is exhorting believers to deal with
their issues so as not to be "ashamed before Him at His coming" There
are too many scriptures like this for me to swallow the "Christ event" squeaky
clean scenario. Yes He paid the price for it to happen but we must walk
it out daily to overcome in this life. We must strive to enter His
rest.
What do you see in Romans 9: 33, 34?
These verses are a prophecy of Isaiah
which speaks of Jesus the Messiah.
But please note what I said re accountability to
God for how I live, what I do with the freedom given to me. Do I ever
shrink/feel shame at my behaviour? Yes. (Ask Lance.) Then I confess, turn, and
continue walking.
That's good Debbie, sounds like a normal
Christian walk to me thus far.
In contrast to David, I do need to do this more
than once on many things.
Why do you say "in contrast to
David?" If you were to get below the surface of his life I am sure he
would tell you that walks the same way we do. When he speaks of
perfection he is speaking of sanctification which he has said is a process if
I remember correctly. Also I believe there is a lot of misunderstanding
having to do with DM and his gifting. I don't remember what kind of religious
background Lance has, I know Caroline was raised Baptist, and don't know if
you have mentioned your denominational background Debbie. I was raised
ecclectic Methodist - wasn't taught a whole lot but there was an advantage in
that I wasn't taught against a whole lot either. For a time when we
first moved to Virginia we attended Charismatic meetings and so I
understand the operation of spiritual giftings. Possibly some of
you misunderstand David and take offense when he is speaking prophetically
which can sound harsh to some. You can take or leave what he says
but I would be careful about stoning him over it.
Do I live in fear of punishment? No, but it could
be that I won't be given many, or any, cities to rule over--if I may use
that metaphor. In short, for the last time: I don't take sin lightly. I
acknowledge Christ as my Lord. I can't be any clearer.
Glad to hear it Debbie. Maybe sometime
when I have the time I can more clearly articulate why this "Christ event"
"incarnational" doctrine concerns me as much as it does.
David, I too am grateful for the use of this
listserv.
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:57
AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Judgment Begins at
the House of God
Debbie writes in part:
4. Extremely embarrassed to come before the Lord and have this brought
up: (a)
We are before
the Lord at all times. (b) Do you
really think he is logging incidents and shelving the ledger each time in
order to bring it all up later? Forgive me, David, but your god sounds very much like the
Accuser! God's agenda in saving us
is to change us into the people he wants--as soon as possible. Throughout
our lives, God draws our attention to things appropriate to our stage, and
may take startling measures to do so when necessary (see various posts of
Caroline's). The rest of what you say, about confessing and repenting, seems
to suggest you agree with this.
Why would he be saving it up in order to nail us with it? See
#1. (c) There is absolutely
no
difference between "#($&%" and "You espouse a doctrine of demons" or "You are of your father the
devil". The latter are just "good KJV biblical lingo". Besides, she wasn't
saying it. She was quoting it. :-)
Hi Debbie, you write:
We are before the Lord at all
times which is not what DM was referring to. We will also
stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to answer for deeds we have done in
the flesh - and yes, He will bring these up later (1 John
2:28,29)
It's not as though he is "saving
it up in order to nail us with it" We are the ones saving it
up if we are not dealing with it now while we have a measure of
time.
I see a big difference between "#($&%" and the terms
DM uses. I understand "#($&%" to be comic book cussing. Does it mean something different in
Canada? Also Caroline was "saying it" because I've not seen anyone
else on TT using this kind of stuff so it is impossible for her to be
quoting anyone here.
