Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

[knpraise]

Your heretical ignorance of the facts of scripture coupled with your refusal to deal with the issues presented in past postings.   The myth that you  function off the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of scripture is herein debunked.    Adoptionism is not a bibllical doctrine when applied to Christ.   

 

So what's your problem? 

 

jd

 
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Judy  --  my point is this:   if you reject the notion that Jesus Christ and God are the same,   then you believe that Jesus the man saved mankind   -----------------    man saving man.   An impossibility.  Perhaps Bill could make my point clearer  or Lance or Gary.  ....   

 

The sacrifice had to be that of a man and Jesus overcame in the three areas A&E surrendered to during his

time in the wilderness before His teaching and healing ministry and laying down his physical life on the cross.  Scripture tells us as much Heb 2:9 says "But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death"  Now I know you don't believe that God the Eternal Father is a "little lower than the angels" do you? Also God can not die, so there was something different about His only begotten Son.  Only another man could overcome sin and pay our ransom - and it is written:

 

"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Cor 15:21-22)

 

So what is the problem JD???

 

 

 

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:09:52 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Especially in view of the foregoing.   To argue that at some point in time,  Jesus Christ became the Son of God is to preach the doctrine of Adoption.  You have man saving man instead of God saving man  --  and that bothers me. Jd

How can you call it "man saving man" when it is what God ordained from the foundation of the world?  Jesus is called many things in scripture including "the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world"  

 

I don't believe this (man saving man)   .....   you do if you believe that he was not God in the flesh. jd

 

This man saving man idea is a figment of your own imagination JD.  If God could have redeemed

mankind as God then Jesus would never have had to be born of the woman and learn obedience

by suffering.  It could have all been done from heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

                                         judyt                                       
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
                              is a liar (1 John 2:4)