Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

[knpraise]

You want to discuss this off line,  let's go for it.   This discussion does not belong on this forum.   No one here knows what you are talking about.    

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:10:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

AND?

 

If he cleans up his mouth and stops being "DIVISIVE" that alone will place him firmly within the Christian camp?

 

No need for a Conversion?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My comments and questions remain.   I was very concerned about the young man at one time and worked to meet with him .   Right now, he needs to know that is not received as a Christian, that his divisiveness and filthy language have placed him outside the fellowship.   He is a very harmful influence, or at least he is trying to be and you know this full well.   I worked to help him   --   while you were in the back of your house, no doubt, folding underwear.   We are done.  

 

 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:39:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

I just posted your words.

It is then 'your' assessment that your words "besmurch" your "efforts"

Do you have a Ministry to "Judaizing punks"?

 

There is nothing in the comments "Barthian" unless you refer to your weak SmokeScreen attempt to distract.

knpraise@aol.com wrote:

  Did you disagree with my assessment of the young man?   What effort did you make at saving the kid from a life of filthy conversation,  websites that preached thw Word of Judaism while advertising for homosexual affliliations.   Be sure to forget to mention that I did all that I could to meet with this young man,  face to face  (he lives near Fresno)  while, you on the other hand,  have decided to pull the comment out of context and misapply the larger effort.   You have done nothing to save this boy and now,  you intentionally besmurch by comments and efforts for what purpose?   TO WIN AN ARGUMENT ABOUT BARTH.  

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:44:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

  I am speaking as a pastor.   I do agree that such conduct is harmful and wrong spirited.   I  do not   believe that Jezebel is a   word that should be used with you in mind, for any reason.   Now,  with that statement of fact in mind  --   go back and see if you  can    figure out what I am trying to accomplish in the above? 

 

Here is an example of JD the "man" Pastoring in another list: "You are a Judaizing punk and an embarrassment to your parents.   You have proven that in spades.   I no longer believe that you would benefit from man to boy confrontation."  

knpraise@aol.com wrote:

see my comments below.   

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:06:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:54:27 -0500 knpraise@aol.com writes:

Comments concerning Webster are correct,   I am sure.   But I included the only definition Webster entertains in the referenced work.    One simply cannot say that the writing "is just plain stupid" without casting doubt on the intellectual abilities of the author.   "Barf" is not the man's name and Judy speaks these words as would a well trained parrot.  

 

OK JD; I publicly apologize for using a derogatory term to describe one of your religious mentors. However, you are far from clean yourself in this area.  Is calling me a "well trained parrot" kind?  As Perry has pointed out, I am here on TT.

Barth is not.    I don't care where Barth is not.   I accept your apology.   I assume it is genuine.   I did not call you a "well trained parrot," did I?   It was a reference to the fact that these words were actually Kevin's.    Having said that,  do you not get the point of my post?   Has it completely missed you?    Of course giving comparison to YOUR WORDS (  ..   speaks these words as would a well trained parrot  ... ")  is inflaminary.   I will apologrize for making that comparison.    Read on,  Judy.  

 

She has so committed herself to the disgracing of Barth as to render her comments bigoted and biased --   words and judgments written without personal knowing.   I regard these words as   both ignorant and stupid  --  and the glory of it all is that I get to say such things without crossing the line of "ad hom" because I have limited my attack to her words and not to her person.   Asinine.   Such a line solves no problems and allows the kind of negative immaturity that typifies TT discussions .   

 

The above is an "ignorant" statement.  The whole "inerrancy movement" was to counteract the unbelief of the likes of Karl Barth and the damage his teachings and writings had done and were doing to the evangelical churches. Why are you so quick to offend the living in taking up an offense for the dead. It makes no sense at all.   The "inerrancy movement"  is a figment of your mind.   It pre-dates Barth by many years.   I do not know who gets credit for coming up with the words "verbal /  plenary"  --   but I am confident that these were not created to fight Barth.    More than this,   you can give me no example of Barth's harmful effects.   Show me from his words   ----------------   put up or, well,  shut up!!!

 

"Barf" is vomit,  Perry.   It no more is beyond "ad hom" than calling Judy  Jezebel.   She is not a whore and Barth is not a pile of vomit.    If you disagree, then I will argue that Jezebel decribes the whoring words of one who has prostituted the truth for a lie.................and it will become a part of my presentations here on TT.   I will use it to describe Judy in the same sense that The Revelations uses the word.   What do you think?  jd

 

I'm not Perry but I would think as a grown adult who claims to be a believing pastor that you should know better JD   would someone explain to this lovely woman just what I was doing with the above.    I am speaking as a pastor.   I do agree that such conduct is harmful and wrong spirited.   I  do not   believe that Jezebel is a   word that should be used with you in mind, for any reason.   Now,  with that statement of fact in mind  --   go back and see if you  can    figure out what I am trying to accomplish in the above?& amp; nbsp;

 

 

 

jd

From: Charles Perry Locke <cpl2602@hotmail.com>

John, there are many dimensions to the ad-hominem argument on which Webster's does not elaborate. In fact, the way the ad hominem attack is most often used on TT is to demean the opponent for 1) hoping to discredit them to the point that their arguments seem untrustworthy, 2) to throw a red herring into the argument to avoid answering the opponent's argument, and 3) is almost alays a sign of defeat in the argument. 
 
...and "Jezebel" is one such ad-hominem. 
 
While "Barf" for "Barth" is indeed an ad hominem, it is meant to discredit a third party to which the opponent has referred as an authority. However, it is not intended to demean t he opponent him/herself. Terry did the same by saying Calvin would make a good Muslim. I do not consider these critical ad-hominems since they are not intended to hurt or demean other TT members, although they are still a poor technique in argumentation. 
 
Side bar...in my recent survey of the ad-hominem reference I was surprised to find that it is, in some types of arguments, r egarded as an effective argument...and that was exclusively in political debate. 
 
Perry 
 
>From: knpraise@aol.com 
>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the a d hom (Barf >for Karl Barth) 
>Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:12:22 -0500 
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>Total chunky style barnyard. By the same lo gic, I can call you Jezebel >Taylor and Kevin "Dunce Deegan" and and so on. And "ad hom" has no such >limitations except here on TT. Ad hom is an attack on the person or words >of an individual "rather than an appeal to pure reason" (Webster's >Encyclopedic Dictionary.) 
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>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com> 
>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
>Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  ;
>Sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:53:12 -0500 
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf >for Karl Barth ) 
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>Oh Lance, I forgot to mention that I can not take credit for your >descriptive subject line 
>It is a n original Kevinism (if I remember correctly) but after perusing >some of the subject's 
>theo l ogical ideas I found it appropriate. 
> 
>Remember ad hom is against the person. I don't know the man; my comment >reflects my 
>response to his theology which has been made very public.. 
> 
 
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