Re: [TruthTalk] Putting people down

Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:27:06 -0800

Don't hold her in less esteem because of her age.  Timothy was a pastor wasn't he?  I see it the same
way she does and I have children who are older than 20 something.  You don't understand her POV JD
Kevin is for the Truth. How can you argue with that???
 
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:03:03 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nonsense  -  but as a 20 something,   I understand you point of view.   Putting poeple down is the subject matter of perhaps 95% of deegan's postings.   Go refigure.
 
jd 
 

From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kevin's criticisms are godly. You may disagree with them, I may choose to make a more moderate approach to them, but the truth is, we must learn to be wary to falsehoods and lies.

I am starting to see that more and more Christians do not take things as seriously as they should. The feminism movement is an example of this. It may not have seemed to obvious to the church in the 1960s what this movement would produce, and I'm sure it didn't seem like such a powerful movement at first, so they chose not to take a stand. But so much of society's moral decay has stemmed from that movement: immodesty, the erroding of the family unit, the confusion of gender roles, the rise of moral relativism and humanism, the rise of sexual promescuity, etc. 

Kevin's "putting people down" as you say is not act of bitterness or pride, but out of passion for the Truth. This passionate support/disdain of Kevin's is so crucial, especially in the last days.

We must also be passionate in our support or rejection of the different issues.

Mat. 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your whole life's "ministry" is pretty much about putting people down.   You have allies on this forum but no real brethren  (except -  possibly, Dean).   I suspect that Lance "likes him" because he makes sense.  
The "Cathoilic" thingy is important only to you  --  not to Lance.   You have not spoken honestly about Barth.   I suspect this is a habit of yours  --  speaking dishonestly of other's beliefs.   C.S.L included.  
 
 
jd
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:02:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ebert & Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up

Lance likes him because he is so Catholic
The mormons love him because he believed as they do in BECOMING a 'god'
 
"Some people seem to think that I began by asking myself how I could say something about Christianity to children; then fixed on the fairy tale as an instrument; then collected information about child-psychology and decided what age group I'd write for; then drew up a list of basic Christian truths and hammered out 'allegories' to embody them. This is all pure moonshine. I couldn't write in that way at all. Everything began with images; a faun carrying an umbrella, a queen on a sledge, a magnificent lion. At first there wasn't even anything Christian about them; that element pushed itself in of its own accord" (Of Other Worlds, p. 36).
 
Lewis termed himself "very Catholic" -- his prayers for the dead, belief in purgatory, and rejection of the literal resurrection of the body are serious deviations from Biblical Christianity (C.S. Lewis: A Biography, p. 234); he even went to a priest for regular confession (p. 198), and received the sacrament of extreme unction on 7/16/63 (p. 301). His contention that some pagans may "belong to Christ without knowing it" is a destructive heresy (Mere Christianity, pp. 176-177), as was his statement that "Christ fulfils both Paganism and Judaism ..." (Reflections on the Psalms, p. 129). Lewis believed that we're to become "gods," an apparent affirmation of theistic evolution. He also believed the Book of Job is "unhistorical" (Reflections on the Psalms, pp. 110), and that the Bible contained "error" (pp. 110, 112) and is not divinely inspired (The Inklings, p. 175). Lewis used profanities, told bawdy stories, and frequently got drunk with his students (5/19/90, World magazine). Christians need to read more critically The Abolition of Man, The Problem of Pain, Miracles, The Great Divorce, and God in the Dock. For example, Lewis never believed in a literal hell, but instead believed hell is a state of mind one chooses to possess and become -- he wrote, "... every shutting-up of the creature within the dungeon of its own mind is, in the end, Hell" (The Great Divorce, p. 65). 
 
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Q: Speaking just as a layman, it seems to me that the "theology" you get out of THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA, THE GREAT DIVORCE, THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS is Orthodox. I was recently rereading THE SCREWTAPE LETTERS and Lewis has a section where Screwtape (the lead demon writing to the little demon, Wormwood) says something like, "In misleading your Protestant convert, the best thing to do is get him to pray extemporaneously; make sure that above all he does not pray the liturgical prayers his mother taught him; let him think that everything he says is original." When I read C.S. Lewis I hear an Orthodox voice. I hear a sacramentalist and liturgical traditionalist writing. How do evangelical, let alone fundamentalist, Protestants read C.S. Lewis and think that they are reading someone who is on "their side?"
Howard: Maybe I'm being a little bit naughty, but the answer is, probably the same way they read the Bible! You and I would say the Apostolic Church is there, in its seed, in the Bible, but apparently it's possible to read the Bible as a Protestant for sixty or seventy or eighty years and never see it! By the same token, Lewis' evangelical American "clientele" simply don't get it. When C.S. Lewis speaks of the blessed sacrament, they don't hear it. When Lewis speaks of the prayers of the Church, they don't hear it. When Lewis speaks of auricular confession, which he practiced, they don't hear it. I think when Lewis smokes a cigarette or drinks his whiskey, they don't see it, either; not that that's on the same level as his ecclesiology! (Laughter) C.S. Lewis would have been very, very ill at ease with his eager North American free church clientele. Very, very ill at ease and out of his métier.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:26 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Ebert & Roeper give the 'Lion, the witch and the wardrobe' two thumbs up
 
Anyone going to see it? What think ye all of C. S. Lewis?

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