On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 05:57:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
The doctrine of Christ's personal preexistence as the second person of the Trinity is taken for granted by most orthodox Christians and has been since New Testament times. The effect of its denial is a god who differers radically from the Biblical God.
 
Yes and it is taken for granted also by most orthodox Christians that the orthodoxy coming from the patriarchs is on the same level as the Word of God which explains things a little differently.  The preexistence of Christ can be seen in the OT but never as an "eternal son" 
"The way the pre-existence of Christ is understood determines how one speaks about the theology of God and of human salvation."
(R. T. France)
 
Explain please - and who is this R. T. France??
 
God did not merely send an agent to make things OK or a repairman to perform some fixes-he came himself. The doctrine of preexistence reminds us forcefully that God himself entered our circumstances in order to redeem and restore his human creatures along with the rest of creation.
 
Are the above France's words or yours Lance?  It was no "resoration job" In a Covenant both parties pledge to the death. He came to institute a New Creation ... The old has been judged already. 2 Cor 5:17.  As for the creation -
It will be destroyed by fire before the New Jerusalem descends from heaven.  He makes ALL things new.
 
This is the truth that gives meaning and power to Jesus' affirmation that God so loved the world that he sent his son to save it. If preexisten is mythical or some other nonfactual nature, then Jesus is not deity and this affirmation of God's love for and intervention on behalf of his creatures becomes an empty promise.
 
He gave His ONLY begotten son to die and those who come to the Risen Christ agree to become "living sacrifices" themselves.
 

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