Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:45:57 -0800

If you, Kevin, said anything that warranted discussion.............ZZZZZZZZZZ
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Sent: March 24, 2006 07:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

Is there any doubt why there is a lack of discussion on TT?
UR MUTHA wears Combat boots

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Judy:The next time you're asked a question about anything, just hand 'em a Bible with the accompanying instructions: READ IT. Perhaps they'll begin to speak with the clarity with which you do.
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Sent: March 24, 2006 06:26
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

What do I believe about Genesis?   Did you read any of my posts?  
Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and   an   innate longing     to live beyond what we see.  As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science,  we lessen its value to the human spirit.  
 
How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then?
 
What do I get from reading those first three chapters?   That God is in control  --  not that He is SOMEHOW in control  -  but that He is IN FACT in control.   He is my creator.   I am in His image.  
 
He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of
Christ already - in fact, not in theory only.  Your attitude to His Law would belie that.
 
And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me.   It tells me that I was created for others  --  my wife, my children and the world in which I live. 
 
The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above?  Where?
 
It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions.   Work is a curse because I must be responsible !!  
 
Newsflash!!  You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions.
 
 I and my wife are one because  God   thought this to be the case from the beginning.   and REST       has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work.   That's what I get out of this Genesis account.  While some of you only see a debate !!!! 
 
You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD 
 
Do you know the best way of dealing with a child  - in my case an older son  -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!!  IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects.  DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate.  You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again."   He won't do it.   But if you ignore the challenge,  and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life  --  the objection vanishes into thin air.  Theory?   Nope.   It worked on both of my older boys  -  the lawyer and the doctor.   But I digress with some free advice. 
 
The long and short of the lesson is this  --  make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war  !!!    Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. 
 
 
jd
 
 
 
 
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From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz
 
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Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
David !!   Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written.  First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist.
 
Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple  --  you have somehow lost the context of my statement.  My comments go the the notion that "day" is not a 24 hour period.    To say that it is metaphorical does not  mean that God did not create  the world and even in the sequence depicted  --  at least not to me.   Such an admission , on my part, does not mean that I believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" as we understand that term , today.   Look  --  do you really believe that God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 hour period of time to rest up !!!??   And "rest up " for what?   Com'on David, this is impossible.  
 
jd
 
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith and speaking?  What does how long it takes for him to speak words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being?  I don't understand your point.
 
David Miller
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Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
So which fundamentalist version  of creation do you support.  That A & E were spirit people.   A 6000 year date or a 10,000 or an "unknown" e.t.  ?   The version that says it took God 144 hours to speak words that can be   spoken in 24 seconds !!!   I just did it in 24 big ones  !!   including a drink of water because my mouth was getting dry. 
 
Consensus has NOTHING to do with !!   Rad Fundies cannot agree on much of anything.   Which version goes into the school system ???  We are still waiting??
 
jd
 
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Don't you get it JT?
TRUTH is found in CONSENSUS!
The opinions of Men are the key.....

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So?
There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon
by the whole church either.  What does that prove?    judyt
 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do.   I know this  -- 
there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the whole church.  
 
jd
 
 
 
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
John wrote:
> The world in which we live would reject
> any mention of God in the evolutionary process, 
> IMO.   But  creationism in the schools?   Could
> that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical
> fundamentalist take-over of the culture?
ROTFLOL.  I sure hope you were being facetious on purpose.
 
John wrote:
> But to allow a mere  statement that suggests God
> is somehow in control as the Creator(?)   If this
> could be presented into the secular system of
> education without it being coopted by the fundies 
> --  go for it.   But I doubt that it can.  What a shame
> that radical fundamentalism within Christiandom forces
> the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful opportunity
> to introduce the Creator to others. 
In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing the acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools.  It is the liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing this.
 
David Miller
 
 
 
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