Old creatures never LIVE like New Creatures.
But sometimes they try to fake it.

--- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The old house was judged at the cross; if you want to hang on to it
> JD
> that's your demise
> Probably why you defend carnality so adamantly also.  Only the new
> men
> make it because
> only they are fit for the Kingdom.
> 
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:18:28 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Selling the old house and building the new house is precisely what
> does
> not happen in new birth.    What you moved to avoid is the real
> analogy. 
> I am surprised that you think differently.  
> 
> jd
> 
> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> 'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas Willard. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: ShieldsFamily 
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:20
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march
> 
> 
> Isn’t that the truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing,
> because we realized that the renovations would never be finished.  As
> soon as you started to repair one thing it led to another and
> another. 
> The whole house needed to be replaced one thing after another! So we
> built new.  What an analogy of the difference between “religion” and
> being born again of the Holy Spirit. izzy
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:05 PM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march
>  
> There is no such thing as a "renovated" heart Lance; more
> misunderstanding which makes me wonder
> about you and your SS conversion.  It is a new heart; the old has
> passed
> away - all things become new.
>  
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance Muir"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> My critique of this would be similar to your own. Granted that a
> civil
> society is an improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral
> society
> is an improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to
> govern
> their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten
> commandments.
> These also offer up a social improvement on that which opposes the
> foregoing.
>  
> Please, please tell me Kevin, Judy, David and Iz that the genuine
> 'renovation of the heart' would/should include all of the above? I do
> believe that some of y'all have things ass backwards with that upon
> which
> you focus (signage wise and all).
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kevin Deegan 
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
> Sent: March 24, 2006 07:54
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march
>  
>  
> The Canadian Guanatamo 
> Better be careful with your social context on the INET Lance!
> Are you hating an identifiable group?
> And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I understand it as an
> attack
> on me & multiple groups of my friends. ; )
> Do you have the telE for the Tribunal? 
>  
> Justice in Canaduh
> http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/
> passed his second year of incarceration without charge
> Zündel was denied the right to cross-examine his accusers or to know
> all
> the evidence against him.
> Zündel stated that all his alleged crimes are Internet-related
>  
> Canadian Human Rights Commission "The truth in some absolute sense
> really
> plays no role. Rather, it is the social context in which the message
> is
> delivered and heard which will determine the effect that the
> communication will have on the listener. It is not the truth or
> falsity
> per se that will evoke the emotion but rather how it is understood by
> the
> recipient.”
> 
> Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't look now but Canada is changing - Group Think
> Gary North would be proud of you folks.
> He tried to bring in New Geneva and by the looks of it you folks have
> actually suceeded!
>  
> Robert Martin, professor of constitutional law at the University of
> Western Ontario "Canada now is a totalitarian theocracy. I see this
> as a
> country ruled today by what I would describe as a secular state
> religion
> [of political correctness]. Anything that is regarded as heresy or bl
> asphemy is not tolerated."
>  
> Be careful there have been Inquisitions against professors who attack
> American Foriegn policy. Hope you do not get turned in, for your
> thoughts!
>  
> You Can’t Say That”
> Canadian thought police on the march.
> By David E. Bernstein 
>  
> I've had the good fortune of spending this past month on the road
> promoting my new book about how anti-discrimination laws are eroding
> civil liberties. At the end of a recent talk about the book, an
> audience
> member asked whether I believe that freedom of expression is really
> at
> risk in the United States from laws meant to aid women and
> minorities.
> The heart of my response is, "Look at what's happening in Canada. If
> we
> don't watch out, we're next."
> The decline of freedom of expression in Canada began with seemingly
> minor
> and
> understandable speech restrictions. In 1990, the Canadian supreme
> court
> upheld the conviction of James Keegstra, a public-high-school
> teacher,
> for propagating Holocaust denial and anti-Semitic views to his public
> high-school students, despite repeated warnings from his superiors to
> stop. Keegstra was convicted of the crime of "willfully promoting
> hatred
> against an identifiable group," which carries a penalty of up to two
> years in jail. Criminalizing hate speech, the court stated, was a
> "reasonable" restriction on expression, and it therefore passed
> constitutional muster.
> Two years later, the same court held that obscenity laws are
> unconstitutional to the extent they criminalize material based on
> sexual
> content alone. However, any "degrading or dehumanizing" depiction of
> sexual activity — including material that the First Amendment would
> protect in the United States — was deprived of constitutional
> protection
> to protect women from discrimination. 
> Even the most zealous advocates of freedom of expression often feel
> uncomfortable defending the right to engage in Holocaust denial or to
> propagate degrading pornography. But, not surprisingly, the
> inevitable
> result of allowing these initial speech restrictions has been the
> gradual
> but significant growth of censorship and suppression of civil
> liberties
> across Canada. 
> In many cases, the speech that is suppressed conflicts with the
> Canadian
> government's official multiculturalist agenda, or is otherwise
> politically incorrect. For example, the Canadian supreme court
> recently
> turned down an appeal by a Christian minister convicted of inciting
> hatred against Muslims. An Ontario appellate court had found that the
> minister did not intentionally incite hatred, but was properly
> convicted
> for being willfully blind to the effects of his actions. This
> decision
> led Robert Martin, a professor of constitutional law at the
> University of
> Western Ontario, to comment that he increasingly thinks "Canada now
> is a
> totalitarian theocracy. I see thi s as a country ruled today by what
> I
> would describe as a secular state religion [of political
> correctness].
> Anything that is regarded as heresy or blasphemy is not tolerated."
> Indeed, it has apparently become illegal in Canada to advocate
> traditional Christian opposition to homosexual sex. For example, the
> Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission ordered the Saskatoon Star
> Phoenix
> and Hugh Owens to each pay $1,500 to each of three gay activists as
> damages for publication of an advertisement, placed by Owens, which
> conveyed the message that the Bible condemns homosexual acts. 
> In another incident, after Toronto print-shop owner Scott Brockie
> refused
> on religious grounds to print letterhead for a gay-activist group,
> the
> local human-rights commission ordered him to pay the group $5,000,
> print
> the requested material, and apologize to the group's leaders.
> Brockie,
> who always accepted print jobs from individual gay customers, and
> even
> did pro-bono work for a local AIDS group, is fighting the decision on
> religious-freedom grounds. 
> Any gains the gay-rights movement has received from the crackdown on
> speech in Canada have been pyrrhic because as part of the Canadian
> government's suppression of obscene material, Canadian customs
> frequently
> target books with homosexual content. Police raids searching for
> obscene
> materials have disproportionately targeted gay organizations and
> bookstores. 
> 
> Moreover, left-wing academics are beginning to learn firsthand what
> it's
> like to have their own censorship vehicles used against them. For
> example, University of British Columbia Prof. Sunera Thobani, a
> native of
> Tanzania, faced a hate-crimes investigation after she launched into a
> vicious diatribe against American foreign policy. Thobani, a Marxist
> feminist and multiculturalism activist, had remarked that Americans
> are
> "bloodthirsty, vengeful and calling for blood." The Canadian
> hate-crimes
> law was created to protect minority groups from hate speech. But in
> this
> case, it was invoked to protect Americans. 
> 
> A great deal more censorship in Canada seems inevitable. For example,
> British Columbia's extremely broad hate-speech law prohibits the
> publication of any statement that "indicates" discrimination or that
> is
> "likely" to expose a person or group or class of persons to hatred or
> contempt. The Canadian thought polic e are on the march. Hopefully,
> it is
> not too late to stop them.
> — David E. Bernstein is a professor of law at George Mason University
> and
> the author of You Can't Say That! The Growing Threat to Civil
> Liberties
> from Anti-Discrimination Laws
> 
>
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> n=283155 
> 
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