> Ad hominem comments will get your mail filtered, especially when you're
> talking about my work ;-)

Actually, it was an attack on the idea (e.g., referring to it as a
joke), so it was unintentional if you took it as ad hominem.  :-)  But I
won't suggest or submit to argumentum ad verecundiam, either.  :-)

> you will configure the use of the messaging menu from the applications
themselves

> that means that if you want Evolution not to use it, you need to fire up 
> evolution and
> tell it not to do so.

> I don't use Evolution either, but [I] can reasonably be expected to run it as
> part of configuring Ubuntu's behaviour.

I'm not so sure about those points.

 * How are users supposed to know, a priori, that in order to remove item A 
from program B,
   they need to change program A?  Mind you, I'm not a fan of the Gnome Main 
Menu Editor,
   either.  I would prefer to see *direct* interaction with the menus.

 * Once knowing that you have to configure program A, how MUCH configuration 
should you
    have to do to simply disable it?  It should be dead simple, not "first tell 
me all about you,
    then I'll let you turn off a checkbox."

This last part isn't really Evolution's fault.  It was written on the
assumption that if you run it, you want to use it; and if you want to
use it, you need an account.  Now we have the new concept of, I am
running it to get rid of it.

> we have a different approach in Ubuntu. We actively make choices on behalf of 
> our users,
> presenting them with an environment that is ready to go.

The latter is, generally, good.  We do want Ubuntu for Granny.

> we ask [expert users] to go the extra mile to get the environment to
> their satisfaction

But don't always provide the necessary documentation, nor do I believe
that it has been said that the workarounds (e.g., the gconf setting for
the update manager) will be preserved in future versions.

If Ubuntu is going to make those decisions, and still wants to allow
users -- let's not require them to be EXPERTS -- to diverge from the
default choices, there should be a document that describes the decisions
made and how to configure the system otherwise.

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