Hi, At this point in time I guess we need to do whatever we can to get things included. Sad that we spent more time discussing how to do this the right way than actually doing it the right way but now is not the time to discuss that I guess.
We can cut up the template that I have ready (although there are certainly a few problems with it and the gtkrc is proabably nowhere near correct) and then try to figure out which pieces are missing and get them done by hand. My biggest problem at this point is: a week ago I installed and it did not boot anymore, two days ago I installed and the xterm did not work and now I try to make a new image with image-creator and it simply b0rks on me. Without a running system to finish this stuff I see no way of moving forward. Can anyone offer any help on this (ASAP)? -- Ken On Thursday 11 October 2007 20:47:43 Spencer, Bob wrote: > Ken, FYI > > #ume-theme > [INFO] Channel view for "#ume-theme > <irc://irc.freenode.net/%23ume-theme> " opened. > -->| YOU (bspencer) have joined #ume-theme > <irc://irc.freenode.net/%23ume-theme> > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Can you call Peter? > bspencer: ^ > <bspencer> agoliveira: howdy > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Cool. I'm back. I called Peter in case he's still around. > Ready when you are. > <bspencer> ok > Peter might come > he was getting tired > next steps from now until tomorrow's deadline > do we want to use your new theme in gutsy? > if so, we need to work on it today. if not then we will just > stick to hildon-theme-mobile-basic for gutsy and worry about the real > ume-basic theme after > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I have no idea and about tomorrow's deadline, to tell you the truth, I > just heard about it today. > <bspencer> I don't think that gutsy is crucial > -->| Peter_u2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/intel/x-f83f290a7d67b7d2) has > joined #ume-theme <irc://irc.freenode.net/%23ume-theme> > <bspencer> Peter_u2: howdy > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Me too. All and all, I just finished the code for this stuff, it wasn't > tested yet. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > howdy, > bspencer and agoliveira. > <bspencer> agoliveira: I'm not so worried about including > the theme building tools in gutsy > just the finished theme > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Ok, let's start from the start. Let me explain what I have done. > <bspencer> if it is not possible to get ken your tools, > then have him finish the theme by friday, we can just look beyond friday > > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > yes, > ken agree with that as well to catch up schedule > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Mear with me if you knwo what I telling you, I just want to organize my > thoughts :) > Bear > <bspencer> agoliveira: we are patiently listening... > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Sorry, my hands hurt... anyway... > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, go on your thought. > agoliveira, sorry to hear that > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > 1) We have the hildon-theme-tools that svn's a source package from > Maemo's repo so you can mess with it and create a theme package. > 2) What I did was to take a theme package from ken, polish it a > bit and call it "base". The new tools do an apt-get source on this > package so you can tinker with it and upload it to be used with the same > name or other name, it does not matter. > 3) It took me more time than I expect to come up with this > simple solution, sorry. > So now we are in this situation: > <bspencer> so there is a theme called ume-base in gutsy > repo? > > > The new tools do an apt-get source on this package ?? > > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > No, I 'm getting there > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > If you > can't make it, sending source by mail is ok. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > The tools do an apt-get source but the package is not in the ubuntu repo > yet, I want to test it and check it with ken first so it's on my PPA. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > So you > might can use keyboard less. > <bspencer> agoliveira: before we uplaod it, can we put it > on LP for us to play with too? > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > So, let me explain in what point we are: > bspencer: I'll explain that too in a momjent > 1) I have the modified tools and the source and binary theme > <bspencer> "modified tools" means they account for UME > graphics that are not in Hildon ? > (like marquee) ? > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > bspencer: I have no idea, I just got the package from ken and AFAIK, > there's nothing like this on it. The tools are using just the standard > images AFAIK. > 2) The process should be that I send you the tools and you > whould be able to use them to get the source from my PPA and build your > binary. > 3) The problem is that I wasn't expecting to do it right now, > just monday > bspencer: I just modified the tools to be able to grab the > package we are going to use as a base, I didn't change it's behaviour to > include other itens. > I didn't even know if it's what you needed/wanted. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, according to ken, you try to address issue of bootstrap > downloading layout.txt from maemo repo. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Yes, when you select the our package it does an apt-get source on it > instead of swvn as I explained above > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > but > IMHO, we never use it from real usage in current situation. That's only > useful in > only useful if it create a fresh layout. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Let's do this. I'll send you the soruce package so you can look at it > and we discuss what's missing. I didn't change anything on it I'm just > using what Ken sent me. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > So I > suggest to ken that just adding pieces to template.png one by one and > modify layout.txt with coordiante of new elements. > <bspencer> Peter_u2: I like that suggestion for today > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Hold on a minute > <bspencer> I can send him a list of pieces that are not in > Hildon. It is a quick solution > given we have < 24hrs > * bspencer is not Holding a minute > <bspencer> oops > s/not/now > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, continue > <bspencer> sorry ;) > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I can't see any layout.txt in the theme-source but I think it's from > hildon-theme-layout-4 which is a dependency. > Yes, it is. > I'm reaching the conclusion that we should postpone this theme > thing for hildon. > I mean Gutsy + 1 > <bspencer> agoliveira: I think so. But that is ok. We > don't lose anything by being after gutsy > because nobody is going to use gutsy tools to create a theme > except ken, and he's in the loop > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > bspencer: So what do you suggest? > <bspencer> I'd like to get Ken's artwork > if he has already done some > and then just manually tweak his theme to make it installable > for gutsy > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > after > your conclusion, can you summerize what's your change to theme-tool > package? > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I can send you his package but you should ask him for something more > updated. > <bspencer> if you have a finished theme, then we can use > that. > agoliveira: is his package a template.png, or a > /usr/share/theme/<name> directory of images and gtkrc files? > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Peter_u2: To the theme-tool I just added an option to grab a new package > called hilton-theme-base that's not downloaded from maemo but from our > repository which *does not* have this package yet as I wanted to test it > before go all the red tape to upload it. > bspencer: The package has, among other things, this template.png > > The other stuff appears when you process it with the tools IIRC. > > Personally, I think the whole process suck and we should not use > maemo tools for this. > <bspencer> aha! now we get the real meat of the discussion > > let me ask: is the template.png worth the effort? > vs. just a list of images, their description, and the images > themselves > no slicing and dicing > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > hildon-theme-base is a package you/ken created from base of > hildon-theme-test or hildon-theme-plankton, right? > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Peter_u2: I think so, I just got it from ken but I think you're right. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, bspencer, I believer I under well what you did. It's totally > within my expectation. I know both packages well. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > bspencer: I have no idea which one is better to process on the target or > for the artist to work with. > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > So > agoliveira, I can help test and fix some issues if any > <bspencer> for tomorrow: what is our goal > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > So what you guys want? > <bspencer> let me restate. Here's our goal: get 1 working > theme into gutsy with all the right images > working theme tools come post gutsy > post = after > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > In this case you should talk to Ken instead of me :) > <bspencer> to get 1 working theme I just need a directory > to stick into /usr/share/themes > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > bspencer, I don't think ken has what you want. But you can double check > with him. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I can give you what I have, of course but I can't say if it's enough. > I mean ready > <bspencer> if ken doesn't have a theme because he is > waiting for the tools, then we might be too late for a ken theme. But he > could send me his graphics now and I could just manually create a theme > agoliveira: ok. whatever you have, make it available > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I assume my blame on taking too long to have those for for what's worth, > I didn't even know there was a deadline for it tomorrow. > <bspencer> no blame! > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, you are finished with test of new package, that's ok. If > not, please send me your source and I can help continue test and fix if > any issues. > <bspencer> we are to blame too, but all of us here are > very busy. We're doing our best. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Peter_u2: I didn't even start to test, it was built this morning. > As you won't be using the tools it does not matter now. > <bspencer> agoliveira: we'd still like your tools so > Peter_u2 can help > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > I'll send the theme packages I have and you tell me if it's enough or we > can poke ken about it > <bspencer> s/tools/broken tools > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > that's > ok. I mean if you can't have a test today, I can help. I know the > packages well. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > bspencer: Sure. > <bspencer> ok. great > thanks a lot guys > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > thanks > agoliveira and ken > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Ok, let's do this in 2 parts: > <bspencer> someday we'll have theme tools and Ken won't > have a death warrant out for me > Peter_u2: have a good night. 2am! > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > 1) I'll send the theme packages rgith now so you can check it's enough > or not. > <bspencer> agoliveira: ok. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > 2) I'll pre-test and send later the tools if all goes well so you can > test them too. > Deal? > <bspencer> Peter_u2: see you tomorrow morning for one more > fun pre-gutsy day :) > agoliveira: Deal > [AGREED] > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > agoliveira, deal done. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > That will be wednesday :) > Fine > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > > bspencer, see ya > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Have a good night Peter_u2 > <bspencer> bye > <Peter_u2 <irc://irc.freenode.net/Peter_u2,isnick> > bye. > <agoliveira <irc://irc.freenode.net/agoliveira,isnick> > > Ok, I'll go ponder this. > <--| agoliveira has left #ume-theme > <irc://irc.freenode.net/%23ume-theme> -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
