I HOPE WE ALL REST OUR CASE ABOUT FALSE HISTORY TO INCITE FALSE ANGER IN UGANDA. OR SHOULD I SAY BUGANDA? FFELLOWS IN THE NAME OF PEACE IN UGANDA, STAY WITH THE TRUTH; OTHERWISE YOUR CHILDREN WILL PAY DEARLY FOR YOUR OWN STUPID, MYPIC, EVIL, ILL-THOUGHTS. YOU MAY BE SERVING YOUR SELF EGO, BUT YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN.........
GOOD EVENING. BWAMBUGA. "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Kasangwawo > >Cut the crap if you think that I am doing research for you then as always >you are on the wrong foot. > >You see I left the days of posting what the likes of you want to hear. And >by the way let me add as well that the UPC' government's support to Muteesa >did not stop on UPC government but even under Iddi Amin , moneys continued >to flow to the family in London. Although some of the recipients decided not >to use it better than becoming pipe fitters. >On the proof of that, do not wait on me, go to Bank of Uganda where Obote >made the original instructions, the records are public to today. So if you >as a Muganda was thinking that your King was living from checks made from >your grand father, think again. The state decided to maintain him with >dignity in his exile life. The rest of the decisions on his life were made >by him self and him self alone. > >And if you have any way to show us how Mutesa survived in London please by >all means post it. Let us move from this crap of Buganda loves the Kingdom. > >Good day > >Em > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:32 PM >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! > > >> Mulindwa, >> >> I would hope that you have evidence about your allegation that the UPC >> regime maintained the late Sir Freddie Muteesa II in exile. In addition >to >> the post-mortem report, I would also like to take a look at it. >> >> Kasangwawo >> >> >> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: ugnet_: Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! >> >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:39:01 -0400 >> > >> >Bwambuga >> > >> >And I will add to those few notes another point just for clarification. >> > >> >Sir Edward Mutesa was in exile and we all know what happens in exile. The >> >first point to hit home is poverty. However the current UPC government at >> >the time, saw it fit to maintain the exiled King financially. Uganda >> >Government continuously sent Mutesa funds to maintain him self in London, >> >funds he him self decided to use to cut down on stress by drinking and >> >throwing continuous parties. Untill when he drunk him self out on his >birth >> >day party. That is why it is very nonsensical for Lutimba Matovu to state >> >that Mutesa was poisoned by Obote, if Obote wanted Mutesa to die in exile >> >he >> >would have not instructed Bank of Uganda to maintain the exiled King >> >financially. >> > >> >Oh good morning, by the way. >> > >> >Em >> > The Mulindwas Communication Group >> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" >> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 11:19 PM >> >Subject: ugnet_: Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! >> > >> > >> >Matovu, >> >We know that Kabaka Fred Mutesa (RIP) was a seroius alcoholic case. And >he >> >died from Alcohol Poisoning. My evidence comes from a cery good friend of >> >mine, but he was sharing a girl friend with the Late Kabaka while he was >> >still in power as President. This friend is a typical Muganda and big >time >> >supporter of the royalty. He says it was a well known fact among the late >> >Kabaka's confidants that his alcohol would sooner rather than later kill >> >him. And kill him it did. >> >This should put to rest Matovu's false accusations of Obote. This is like >> >the other quotation about "....a dead Muganda....", Turns out those words >> >were actually uttered by a typical Muganda, but hell wishers just pushed >it >> >to Obote to suit their ill intentioned politiking and subjecting Ugandans >> >to >> >false history. >> >Bwambuga. >> > >> > >> > >> >"Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >Mwaami Kasangwawo >> > > >> > >I do not think that any body in a right mind needs a proof of Amin's >> > >brutality, and I do not think that there is any body arguing about it, >> >what >> > >is bothering people is the way we want to attack this problem of a >> >Ugandan >> > >president whose family wants to take home and the operative word home >not >> >to >> > >Kololo, remember this man has a land he is not a beggar for land to be >> > >buried on, Amin is not like Kiseka who NRM had to borrow land to burry >> >him >> > >officially, he is not like Lule who ended up in Kololo where any >> >government >> > >will dig him up, trust me, for better use of that real estate. Amin >wants >> > >to go to Koboko and rest. Whether alive or dead. >> > > >> > >Should have I gone into this discussion? And the answer is no, but I >was >> > >very disturbed to see how the Museveni virus has affected Ugandans. We >> >are >> > >not responsible for any or all of our actions. >> > > >> > >Because Dr. Kigongo posted on Ugandanet that Amin was a bad leader so >he >> > >should be buried in Saudi Arabia. Can he tell us whether Saudi Arabian >> > >dissidents are buried in Uganda? >> > > >> > >Our nation needs prayers, for I expected better from him but hey he is >a >> > >Doctor. >> > > >> > >Em >> > > >> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group >> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" >> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 4:14 PM >> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: I LOVE AMIN SAYS NASUR >> > > >> > > >> > >> For all apologists for the killers of Ugandans, I am posting below a >> > >letter >> > >> which is representative of thousands of similar cases. The fact that >> >these >> > >> killers have not yet been taken to court does not relieve them of the >> > >> responsibility for the murder of thousands of Ugandans. There are >lots >> >of >> > >> reasons why people have not managed to take these killers to court - >> >lack >> > >of >> > >> resources, time, et cetera. >> > >> >> > >> As I said before, the following case represents thousands and >thousands >> >of >> > >> similar cases in our short history. The letter appeared on 28 July (I >> > >think >> > >> in the Monitor). Think about it ! >> > >> >> > >> Kasangwawo. >> > >> ============== >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Amin killed my father, uncle on the same day! >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I have been following newspaper headlines about Idi Amin's health >> > >condition. >> > >> >> > >> Well, all of us will have to die one day but those who took away the >> > >> innocent lives of others must be humiliated even in death. Those who >> >never >> > >> directly suffered the wrath of Amin have been writing and taking >> >lightly >> > >the >> > >> crimes he committed. But some of us are still bleeding with pain and >> > >sorrow, >> > >> which he inflicted on our families. >> > >> >> > >> It was Sept. 18, 1972. My father, the late Gregory Akiiki Katera, >Chief >> > >> Accountant of what was then Tooro District Administration and his >> >cousin >> > >> Matthew Apuli Kandole, then Chief Administrative Officer, were picked >> >from >> > >> Mucwa Chambers, where they were attending a district meeting with >other >> > >> district officials. >> > >> >> > >> They were taken to Karuziika, the current palace of the King of Tooro >> >then >> > >> occupied by the military. The man who arrested them, one Jackson, >later >> > >> testified in court in the 1980s that it was the commanding officer >> >named >> > >> Col. Onah who had sent him to pick them. >> > >> >> > >> Col. Onah was later arrested but he also testified in court that the >> >order >> > >> came directly from Amin and that my father and his brother were sent >to >> > >Amin >> > >> that night. >> > >> >> > >> Both Jackson and Onah were acquitted on grounds that it was Amin >> > >responsible >> > >> for the death of our father. Since that day, we never saw our dear >> >father >> > >> and his brother. >> > >> >> > >> I was in Primary 2 and my father passed by our school to pick us up >and >> > >have >> > >> lunch with us. In the evening, a family friend drove home crying that >> >dad >> > >> had been picked and taken to the barracks. >> > >> >> > >> How and where they were killed or buried is still a mystery. We >> >suffered >> > >> tremendously socially, physically and psychologically. >> > >> >> > >> I would agree with those calling for amnesty for Amin if he had only >> > >> committed political crimes. But Amin was a common criminal and he >> >should >> > >> take personal responsibility and be prosecuted whether alive or post >> > >humous. >> > >> >> > >> How then can sections of Ugandans, for political reasons or >otherwise, >> > >> advocate for a decent burial for Amin when many of us had our >innocent >> > >> parents murdered in cold blood and buried like dogs or thrown to >rivers >> > >for >> > >> crocodiles to feast on? They also needed a decent burial more than >Amin >> > >> deserves. >> > >> >> > >> Those of us who had our dear ones murdered should form a club and >> >ensure >> > >> that justice is done. >> > >> Joseph K. Katera, >> > >> Kampala. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >Subject: ugnet_: I LOVE AMIN SAYS NASUR >> > >> >Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 02:32:01 -0400 >> > >> > >> > >> >Mwaami Kironde >> > >> > >> > >> >You see this is the very tragedy we have in Uganda. We base our >> >beliefs >> > >not >> > >> >on facts not on statistics, not on proven ideas, but on >"Ban'gambye". >> >And >> > >I >> > >> >am having a very hot debate about this "Ban'gambye, nawulidde" Crap >in >> > >> >another Ugandan forum as we speak. We have failed to base our >> >reasoning >> > >on >> > >> >facts. And in the end we have a population which accepts these >matters >> >as >> > >> >proven, yet on the other side we have people in leadership who use >> >these >> > >> >Lugambo's for political achievements. And that is a very terrible >way >> >of >> > >> >running things even in your own home. This is not about freedom of >> > >> >expression, this is not about letting Nassur enjoy it, this is to >> >state >> > >> >what you know for a fact. But we come in forums and in public and we >> >set >> > >> >Lugambo as fire, and let me give you an example, Mwaami Matovu came >> >into >> > >> >this very forum and he stated as he knew for a fact that Mutesa was >> > >> >poisoned by Obote. Was this a new lie? No it started in Katwe and no >> >body >> > >> >ever tried to ask him self can this be true? It became an accepted >> >norm, >> > >> > >> >only that I expected Lutimba to know better, to know that even if >you >> > >have >> > >> >never been to London surely that statement is a crude lie. Matovu >> > >expected >> > >> >all of us to sweep it under the mat, and many of you did. And I am >not >> > >here >> > >> >to tell Matovu to like Obote, but c'mon. >> > >> >But here we are, Nassur can not add insult to injury. Okay then let >me >> > >ask >> > >> >Why is Obura and Ssebirumbi dead when Nassur is alive? Why did NRM >> >allow >> > >> >Tito Okello to come back to Uganda yet the same NRM through its >leader >> > >> >Yoweri Museveni said that if Obote comes back to Uganda I will kill >> >him? >> > >> >Yet both of them are former presidents? And the only answer I will >get >> > >from >> > >> >you will be Mulindwa you are a UPC supporter. No I want you to tell >me >> > >the >> > >> >difference between those two presidents. You are talking about a man >> >who >> > >> >was arrested and taken through the most corrupt system of justice in >> > >> >Africa, Nassur's case became political and he ended up released. Let >> >me >> > >> >tell you for a fact that if Nassur had surely killed that man in >> >Masaka, >> > >> >NRM would have released him and mob justice would have taken him out >> > >> >already and we know many such cases. Why is he free in Bombo? But we >> >must >> > >> >condemn him for the likes of Nassur thousands of Ugandans failed to >> > >escape >> > >> >death. Was it Nassur killing them? And what about under the likes of >> > >Moses >> > >> >Ali or Mustafa Adrisi were Ugandans escaping deaths? So it was only >> >under >> > >> >the Nassur's? >> > >> > >> > >> >The man has challenged you publicly, that if he made you eat sandals >> >put >> > >up >> > >> >your hand today. Today when he is still alive and in Bombo, do not >> >wait >> > >for >> > >> >him to be in a comma as you have done on Amin. That is a direct >> > >challenge, >> > >> >Kironde did Nassur force you to eat them that is all we want to >know. >> >You >> > >> >are not answering that but you want Nassur to shut up and take full >> > >> >responsibly of the consequences of his freedom of expression. >> > >> > >> > >> >How about your self? >> > >> > >> > >> >Em >> > >> > >> > >> > The Mulindwas Communication Group >> > >> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" >> > >> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas >> > >> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> > From: Ed Kironde >> > >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:22 PM >> > >> > Subject: RE: ugnet_: I LOVE AMIN SAYS NASUR >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I AM FOR FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and if I had a chance, I would >> >probably >> > >> >encourage Nasur to keep quite on certain issues. Having said that, >> >Nasur >> > >> >must be willing to take full responsibility of the consequences of >his >> > >> >freedom of expression. Adding insult to injury while trying to fit >in >> > >> >society having escaped the noose, where thousands of Ugandans failed >> >to >> > >> >escape[under the likes of Nasur's ] reign. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > >> > Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 7/18/2003 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > >> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >He it is Who created for you all that is on earth...He is the All-knower >of >> >everything. >> >Swaddaq Allahu Al-Adhim. >> > >> >Michael Bwambuga. >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________________________ >> >McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >> >Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. 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