This was a great help.
Thanks
Gook
“The strategy of the guerilla struggle was to cause maximum chaos and destruction in order to render the government of the day very unpopular”
Lt. Gen. Kaguta Museveni (Leader of the NRA guerilla army in Luwero)
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:08:27 -0700
Gook Makanga
I thought that it was clearly mentioned in the article and would hate
to patronize you leading to that part mentioning the confusion. Albeit,
I have no choice:
There might be some confusion over the description of Lule. Owen
describes him as an eye doctor. This point is cleared by Ingham in his
book on Obote. I would have quoted it but I don't have a copy with me.
Ingham says Owen's memory let him down; the person he was talking was
really Lule.
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Ed,
You tell us even one instance where Owen may have been confused:-You
seem to be the expert!
Gook
“The strategy of the guerilla struggle was to cause maximum chaos and
destruction in order to render the government of the day very unpopular”
Lt. Gen. Kaguta Museveni (Leader of the NRA guerilla army in Luwero)
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:48:44 -0700
Is there a possibility that Dr David Owen was confused on more than one
issue?
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"Yoga Adhola
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"UPC UPC
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: Fw: Who put Lule in power?
Mr. Johnnie Muwanga-Zake,
You wrote:
"
1. Why didn't the UPC directly assume power a fter Amin's government
fell? I do not understand why the UPC, controlling the front-line, would
for example allow Lule to be proclaimed president (page 11), unless of
course Lule was deliberately used to lure the support of the Baganda
during the overthrow of Amin."
I have to begin by complimenting you for taking time to read Dr Obote's
account of what happened. Not many people from Buganda do that. They
simply dismiss Obote and never get his side of the story. This is done
despite what Kabaka Mutesa said about Obote's abilities:
"...Up to this point his career had not been a conspicuous one. Elected
to the Legico, he becam e head of a powerful political party, and even
then his undoubted ability was little recognised." The Desecration of my
Kingdom page 159.
I believe it is important to get both sides of the story, however,
objectionable one side is before taking a position. I would further also
observe it i s good you have put out the issues you wish explored
further
in form of questions. I will attempt to answer some of them.
The issue of Yusuf Lule. Lule was not put in that position by the
Tanzanians. Lule was placed there by the British. None other than the Dr
David Owen, British Foreign Secretary at the time has written in his
memoirs, "Time to Declare:"
" But the Amin issue did not go away. Later he was ousted by Tanzanian
armed intervention, and we aided Julius Nyerere in the attempt. I will
never be sure whether it was wise to do so. The price we extracted from
Nyerere four our material support was the promise that a mild, decent
former children's doctor should be President rather than Milton Obote.
Unfortunately the doctor did not have the necessary authority. The end
result was that Obote returned to the Presidency, Uganda was riven again
and human rights were trampled. Although not quite as bad as Amin's,
Obote's rule was still a disaster." (Owen, D 1991)
There might be some confusion over the description of Lule. Owen
describes him as an eye doctor. This point is cleared by Ingham in his
book on Obote. I would have quoted it but I don't have a copy with me.
Ingham says Owen's memory let him down; the person he was talking was
really Lule.
I hope this clears up things for you.
Yoga Adhola.
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Subject: [FedsNet] The UPC role in the removal of Amin paper by Dr Obote
Netters, I have read Dr Obote's paper ' The UPC Role in the Removal of
Amin Paper' posted on Fednets some time ago. Thanks to Dr Obote for
throwing more light on what transpired since Amin overthrew his
government. More questions arise when one reads this paper. For example,
mention is made of a DP leader who accepted to be a Chief Justice (page
1) without mentioning the name (probably the late Ben Kiwanuka);
apparently Dr Obote gives this as one reason why as a contributing
factor to Amin's dictatorship. While Dr Obote elaborates on how much his
family suffered under Amin (page 4, although none of his family members
appears to have been murdered by Amin), the murder of Ben Kiwanuka is
not mentioned. Roumors (mainly from Amin's quarters) had it that UPC
played a hand in the murder of Ben Kiwanuka. Museveni is mentioned in
the paper as a liar (he had not recruited any fighters) (page 5), and
apparently UPC's Kikosi Maalum with the help of TPDF overthrew Amin. In
< BR>a nutshell UPC is the only Ugandan organisation that overthrew
Amin.
Among the interesting questions to ask Dr Obote:
1. Why didn't the UPC directly assume power after Amin's government
fell? I do not understand why the UPC, controlling the front-line, would
for example allow Lule to be proclaimed president (page 11), unless of
course Lule was deliberately used to lure the support of the Baganda
during the overthrow of Amin.
For those of us commoners in Uganda then, there was no mention of the
UPC or Kikosi Maalum. I tend to believe that Kikosi Maalum and TPDF
wou ld have had a tough time had people learned that UPC was lingering
behind the scene. The role of the use of Lule has to be acknowledged
prominently.
2. Would Kikosi Maalum have managed that war without the help of the
local people of Mbarara and Masaka (including non UPC members) whose
sacrifices seem not to be acknowledged?
3. Isn't it p ossible that the fall of Dr Obote's second government was
due to the failure of acknowledging and nurturing the role of the
Ugandan population in the south, which had helped in the fall of Amin,
and Obote's over-reliance on Nyerere? For it appears from the paper
that, while Nyerere helped in the fall of Amin, his interest was to
return Obote into power (note for example, the Nyerere's interference in
the appointments [page 12] and arguments against Lule and the subsequent
fall of Lule's government). Why would, for example, the names of cabinet
ministers be broadcast on Radio Tanzania other than for Nyerere to plan
a path for Obote's return to the presidency?
4. Finally, what has Dr Obote and the UPC learned from the three
overthrows? (One by Amin, another by the 'gang of four [page 11], and
finally by Okello). A substantial number of people jubilated throughout
Uganda when Dr Obote was overthrown by Amin - I am not so s ure about
subsequent ones because I was not there.
Although the paper mainly boasts of Dr Obote's role, thanks to the UPC's
role in overthrowing Amin's government. However, Dr Obote and UPC should
also accept the responsibility of the turmoil (pages 12-14), and deaths
(dead bodies were frequent throughout Kampala during Lule's, Binaisa's,
and Muwanga's rule - by the way all of them Baganda!), and apologise for
these. Apparent peace returned to Kampala the day Binaisa was removed,
this demonstrating that Kikosi Maalum was making Uganda deliberately < BR>ungovernable under Binaisa. It would be helpful to get the versions of
the rest of the forces that claim to have played roles.
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