Mr. Mivumba,
Personally I think they had no choice but to bolt out. If it was britons
alone, without Americans, Saddam would still be in power. It was because of
America that former Prime Minster Blair as well dragged britons into Iraq. No
surprise therefore that they bolted out of Southern Iraq.
In fact, Britain maybe far sighted. They might just be avoid defeat. Outright
defeat, like the Americans' in Vietnam, would even be more damning, and
dangerous for the entire world. That is why Americans have no option this time
around but to succeed, even if it means at the cost of many Iraqi lives.
And it is the same mindset, of the British, driving this Taliban-Britons
secret talk!
Ocii
Jean Paul Mivumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is typical British behaviour. This is exactly how they bolted out of
southern Iraq. They looked the other way and left many shite militias in charge.
On Dec 25, 2007 9:29 PM, ocii < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Britain in secret talks with the Taliban
By Thomas Harding and Tom Coghlan
Last Updated: 1:51am GMT 26/12/2007
Agents from MI6 entered secret talks with Taliban leaders despite
Gordon Brown's pledge that Britain would not negotiate with terrorists, The
Daily Telegraph can disclose.
No peace for Marines on Christmas patrol Officers from the Secret
Intelligence Service staged discussions, known as "jirgas", with senior
insurgents on several occasions over the summer.
Taliban leaders meet to discuss strategy: Gordon Brown had
told Parliament that there would not be any negotiations
An intelligence source said: "The SIS officers were understood to have sought
peace directly with the Taliban with them coming across as some sort of armed
militia. The British would also provide 'mentoring' for the Taliban."
The disclosure comes only a fortnight after the Prime Minister told the House
of Commons: "We will not enter into any negotiations with these people."
Opposition leaders said that Mr Brown had "some explaining to do".
The Government was apparently prepared to admit that the talks had taken
place but Gordon Brown was thought to have "bottled out" just before Prime
Minister's Questions on Dec 12, when he made his denial instead.
It is thought that the Americans were extremely unhappy with the news
becoming public that an ally was negotiating with terrorists who supported the
September 11 attackers.
The delicate balance in Afghanistan was underlined as it emerged that two
diplomats had been ordered by the Kabul government to leave the country after
allegations that they had met Taliban insurgents without the administration's
knowledge.
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The pair, a top European Union official and a United Nations staff member,
were declared "persona non grata" and said to be "threatening national
security".
They are both Afghan experts who have been working in the country since the
1980s. They are in their forties and cannot be named. One man works as a
political adviser to the European Union while the other is employed as a
political adviser to the UN mission in Kabul.
One of the men described the charges as "banal and preposterous" and said he
hoped the Afghan government would quickly drop its threat to deport them.
MI6's meetings with the Taliban took place up to half a dozen times at houses
on the outskirts of Lashkah Gah and in villages in the Upper Gereshk valley, to
the north-east of Helmand's main town.
The compounds were surrounded by a force of British infantry providing a
security cordon.
To maintain the stance that President Hamid Karzai's government was leading
the negotiations the clandestine meetings took place in the presence of Afghan
officials.
"These meetings were with up to a dozen Taliban or with Taliban who had only
recently laid down their arms," an intelligence source said. "The impression
was that these were important motivating figures inside the Taliban."
The Prime Minister had denied reports of talks with the Taliban under
questioning from David Cameron, the Tory leader, in Parliament.
Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary said: "If this turns out to be untrue
the Prime Minister will have some explaining to do to the British public."
Britain has said it would support efforts by the Afghan government to
negotiate with tribal fighters now supporting the Taliban - but only if they
embraced democracy.
Senior Government sources have claimed that the only negotiations with the
Taliban were attempts by President Karzai to persuade them to change sides.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=N3XBNQ41N4C01QFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2007/12/26/wafg126.xml
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