Jony Rosenne wrote on 06/26/2003 12:16:22 AM:

> When, in the Bible, one sees two vowels on a given consonant, it isn't 
so.

That's silly. When one sees two vowels on a given consonant in the Bible, 
it *is* so: the two vowels are written there. It may not correspond to 
actual phonology, ie what is spoken, but as has been made clear on many 
occasions, Unicode is not encoding phonology, it is encoding text. And in 
relation to text, your statement is simply wrong.


> There is one vowel for the consonant one sees, and another vowel for an
> invisible consonant. The proper way to encode it is to use some code to
> represent the invisible consonant. Then the problem mentioned below does 
not
> arise.

The idea of an invisible consonant would amount to encoding a phonological 
entity, which is the kind of thing that was at one time approved for Khmer 
(invisible characters representing inherent vowels), but later turned into 
an albatross, and when I proposed the same thing (invisible inherent 
vowel) for Syloti Nagri, it was made very clear to me that it would not go 
down well with UTC.

Also, the proposed solution of an invisible consonant would leave 
unresolved the problem of meteg-vowel ordering distinctions, while the 
alternate proposal of having meteg and vowels all with a class of 230 
solves both problems at once. Two ad hoc solutions (one for multi-vowel 
ordering, and another for meteg-vowel ordering) must certainly be far less 
preferred for one motivated solution (having characters with canonical 
combining classes that are appropriate for the writing behaviours 
exhibited).

I invite people to review the discussions from the unicoRe list from last 
December, at which time everyone (including you, Jony) were all concluding 
that the solution which I proposed in L2/03-195 was the best solution to 
pursue.


- Peter


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