On 31/03/2004 08:49, Language Analysis Systems, Inc. Unicode list reader wrote:

So perhaps the best thing to do in cases like Ernest's and mine, where


a

fixed width non-breaking space is required, is to use FIGURE SPACE, which I understand is non-breaking. But then perhaps this is too wide


in

some circumstances - in many fonts it is twice the regular width of


SPACE.

Going out on a limb here...

It sorta seems like the need to keep phrases like "Louis XIV" together
is a valid one the deserves a solution, but it also seems fairly
esoteric-- typesetters and people who give a lot of thought to the
presentation of their text might use this, but most people wouldn't.
This makes me wonder if it's a plain-text thing.

I'm not saying this is a problem that should be solved through markup,
but if you care enough about the presentation of the text to care about
this, you're probably also already using styled text to specify other
things you care about, such as the font you're using.  And if you know
what font you're using, you can use THREE-PER-EM SPACE or FOUR-PER-EM
SPACE (or maybe SIX-PER-EM SPACE or FIGURE SPACE), because you know
which one is the right width in your font.

For that matter, if a typical space is usually either a third or an em
or a quarter of an em wide, my guess is you could probably use either
THREE-PER-EM SPACE or FOUR-PER-EM SPACE anyway, and even if this didn't
exactly match the width of a space in the particular font used to render
your text, it'd probably still look okay.  But then again, I'm not a
typographer.

Fading back into the background...

--Rich Gillam
 Language Analysis Systems, Inc.






Fair enough. To most people, a space is a space. To rather more, there is a second kind of space which they expect to be non-breaking and often also expect to be fixed width. (Those who had the latter expectation have had a nasty surprise today because with the release of 4.0.1 NBSP is suddenly no longer fixed width.) The problem is that when we get beyond that we get lost in a world of typography, and in uncertainty over which spaces are supposed to be breaking or non-breaking, fixed or variable width, and if fixed what width. It would be useful to have all of this clearly laid out somewhere, so that those of us who do care about what our text looks like, but are not professional typographers, know what we should use.

Louis<THREE-PER-EM SPACE>XVI may have lost his head, but we don't want his number also to fall off on to the next line, or even to become too far separated from his name. We need to know what kind of space to use to resist the guillotine!

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Peter Kirk
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