Dan,

In any normal use of mail and replies between two parties this would be a good feature. On a list like this one, I wish I could turn this feature off. I do know who read which thread and cloned a new one though. However, I am not sure what I can do with that piece of trivia. I no longer make a new thread that way, now I start with a new message and drag/drop the to: field. I am curious, did the previous/this message show up in a different thread in your mail. You can tell which thread I cloned this from by the mail body reference.

Dennis

On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Dennis...

Thanks for the detective work. I think this is the reason for *some* of the errors I see, but perhaps not all. Although it's possible the fingerprinting is so deep and smart that it is indeed too smart for its own good.

I wonder why Apple doesn't acknowledge this bug.

No, I don't. They'd call it a feature.

On Jun 9, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Dan and Mac Mail.app users and anyone who replies to messages,

I have noticed that Mail.app seems to put seemingly unrelated threads into an existing thread at times. I think I see a possible explanation for this. In addition to the usual method of looking at the subject text, I think mail.app also fingerprints messages somehow, so it knows when a reply is to that message -- even if the subject line is altered. So if somebody starts a new thread by replying to a thread I started or replied to, just to get the header info, then replaces the body and subject lines to a new topic, my Mail.app assumes it is still related to the original message. I just tested out this theory by replying to a thread I started, but I changed everything about the message except the To: line. Sure enough the message came back threaded to the unrelated message I started it from.

A case of too smart for its own good!

Dennis

On May 23, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:



Howard.....

I thought I was the only one experiencing this problem. I've posted messages on two or three OS X message boards and haven't had a single reaction or response.

Threads seem to collect unrelated messages more or less at random.

But it's still better for me than the old way.

On May 23, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote:




I used to do that but I really don't like the way Mail does threading.
It never really works on my Mac.






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