Wow really interesting Rakesh.
Larrabee won't be released soon, if released at all.
I hope you are right, I am eager for theses new features to be open
standard.
As a programmer, it's even difficult to use good old OpenGl/DirectX
mess.
Thankyou for that long response, If you know more tell us.
I will do further reading about the new GPU.
The new c++ standard ( C++0x) that will be revealed the next year, will
support multi threading.
Like Python, most languages are now supporting parallel execution
directly in the language.
OpenGL, DirectX, Larrabee, ATI, Nvidia, Mac, Linux, Win ... They will
never merge to any standard.
I really like your landscape pictures.
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.CombadZ.com
On 10-07-20 02:34 AM, Rakesh Malik wrote:
GPU based renderers are most likely the future.
The Cell isn't it -- it's only somewhat parallel, and it's not
well-suited to double precision arithmetic. It's a better suited to
rendering than to gaming, but it's definitely nowhere near to being all
that it's cracked up to be.
The latest generation of GPU's from nVidia and AMD/ATI are,
however, exactly what you're describing -- massively parallel, with
extremely fast buses, and with general-purpose computing engines rather
than dedicated hardware to run shaders. The latest nVidia GPU's do
double-precision arithmetic well, which is specifically for
high-performance computing.
The consistency isn't due to the GPU's being GPU's, it's because
general-purpose GPU's are relatively new, and there aren't any
standards for them yet. It will change, especially with programming
languages for them becoming standardized.
Intel's Larabee processor is specifically geared toward
general-purpose computing -- it's a collection of small, fast
processors with very fast interconnects and it's well-suited to
applications such as rendering.
And lastly... the reason that the industry is being so
conservative about parallelism is that most programmers don't
understand even the simplest issues in parallel programming -- how to
partition and re-assemble data, handle node failures, mutual exclusion,
resource contention, that sort of thing.
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Rakesh Malik
http://www.whitecranephotography.com
http://www.flickr.com/baratheon
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:46 PM,
Jean-Sebastien Perron <j...@neuroworld.ws> wrote:
GPU
based renderer are doomed unless there is a open and documented
standard.
Like any hardware-dependent renderer they will fade over time.
It's sad that the the Cell processor was ignored by the industry.
The Cell in the hand of good old programmers (Assembler and c++) not
(scripters) could do so much.
I hate AMD and Intel and Arm and Motorolla,
The secret to faster computing is parallel work.
Like the hundreds of "Blitters" in the old arcade motherboard of the
80's.
Programming in parallel require thinking, and the industry is playing
it safe.
We don't need 4 core we need 32 or 64 and more.
Simple core that only do floating point math vectoring.
Not all purpose crap like intel(int tel) like in integer.
GPU are useless in generating images, no 2 videocard produce the same
result.
What is important is math math math .... Vector and matrix nothing else
And still to this day, only one processor in the world deliver that :
The Cell
If I had the money of Bill Gate, In a year I would completely change
the computer world.
Company are behaving like the petrol industry : holding technology, and
improving slowly to make more money.
I would have thought that buy now we would not need to think about
computing speed.
The solution is so simple : (a really really simple RISC processor *
64) + a lot of memory inside the processor) in a single chip.
A computer in a chip, everything in a chip. No dedicated hardware or
instructions.
Actually not all of the above is true, but mostly true
Jean-Sebastien Perron
www.CombadZ.com
On 10-07-19 04:00 PM, aidan o driscoll wrote:
OR http://www.refractivesoftware.com/
Octane Render is the world's first GPU based, un-biased, physically
based renderer. €99
Bought this recently on offer - €49. Very nice renderer too. Use it
with Modo!
Plugs for other apps being developed for this also ....
Aidan
On 19 July 2010 20:42, Neil Cooke<ne...@xtra.co.nz>
wrote:
Nice Archviz there Arfo!!!
Thanks
Neil Cooke
PS: I dont know enough about renderers to comment and RS does it Ok for
me
... in my ignorance perhaps.
________________________________
From: Arjo Rozendaal<arjo.rozend...@xs4all.nl>
To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Sent: Tue, 20 July, 2010 6:36:03 AM
Subject: RE: Fryrender plugin support
Hi Jason,
I think Realsoft really needs a better render engine. But rendering with
third party plugins would mean some serious changes. Solid objects
won't be
possible, everything will have to be turned into SDS/polygonal objects.
VSL
will be of no use anymore. All the materials will have to be created to
work
with the render engine. I doubt if this is what most Realsoft users
like. I
always liked the special things of Realsoft like the VSL and solid
objects.
I'm afraid the mainstream production market is quite covered by the
other
apps. So I guess Realsoft is more for the users that like the special
options.
However I must admit that these specialties have some severe
limitations. In
terms of production, VSL is far too technical and time consuming to
create
nice materials. Solids have limitations if you want to add bevels,
deform
them or things like that.
But if Vesa and Juha find some solution that could bring the high
quality
rendering to Realsoft without losing VSL and solids it would be very
impressive.
Anyway, I'm even not sure if Fryrender is the best choise. I chose Vray,
which is not an unbiased renderer lik Fry or Maxwell. But it's a lot
faster.
And IMHO it renders very nice images too. But as always there are a lot
of
different opinions when it comes to choosing a render app. And all the
software galeries show the nicest results of their users. Here are some
results of myself:
Two different interior projects I did this year (rendered with Vray):
http://www.xs4all.nl/~joly/show/kantoor.html
and
http://www..xs4all.nl/~joly/show/wrobel.html
Both completely different atmosphere in terms of style. Modern/clean
office;
the other an private flat in Paris.
Arjo.
Van: owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com
[mailto:owner-l...@light.realsoft3d.com]
Namens Jason Saunders
Verzonden: maandag 19 juli 2010 17:03
Aan: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com
Onderwerp: Fryrender plugin support
Hi,
Any votes for development starting on a plug-in for using this render
engine
in Realsoft ?
Seeing as all the other major and not so major 3D apps have it
supported,
makes sense to try and catch up me thinks.
www.randomcontrol.com/fryrender-gallery
Regards
Jason
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