All my upgrades are without downtime for the application. Yes, do the binary upgrade one node at a time. Then run upgradesstables on as many nodes as your app load can handle (maybe you can point the app to a different DC, while another DC is doing upgradesstables). Upgradesstables doesn’t cause downtime – it just increases the IO load on the nodes executing the upgradesstables. I try to get it done as quickly as possible, because I suspend streaming operations (repairs, etc.) until the sstable rewrites are completed.
Sean Durity From: Shishir Kumar <shishirroy2...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 1:00 AM To: user@cassandra.apache.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Upgrade strategy for high number of nodes Thanks for pointer. We haven't much changed data model since long, so before workarounds (scrub) worth understanding root cause of problem. This might be reason why running upgradesstables in parallel was not recommended. -Shishir On Sat, 30 Nov 2019, 10:37 Jeff Jirsa, <jji...@gmail.com<mailto:jji...@gmail.com>> wrote: Scrub really shouldn’t be required here. If there’s ever a step that reports corruption, it’s either a very very old table where you dropped columns previously or did something “wrong” in the past or a software bug. The old dropped column really should be obvious in the stack trace - anything else deserves a bug report. It’s unfortunate that people jump to just scrubbing the unreadable data - would appreciate an anonymized JIRA if possible. Alternatively work with your vendor to make sure they don’t have bugs in their readers somehow. On Nov 29, 2019, at 8:58 PM, Shishir Kumar <shishirroy2...@gmail.com<mailto:shishirroy2...@gmail.com>> wrote: Some more background. We are planning (tested) binary upgrade across all nodes without downtime. As next step running upgradesstables. As C* file format and version (from format big, version mc to format bti, version aa (Refer https://docs.datastax.com/en/dse/6.0/dse-admin/datastax_enterprise/tools/toolsSStables/ToolsSSTableupgrade.html [docs.datastax.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.datastax.com/en/dse/6.0/dse-admin/datastax_enterprise/tools/toolsSStables/ToolsSSTableupgrade.html__;!OYIaWQQGbnA!b3wl1RjHA154C1fTebb3XaGb-qv-TzUsDDGFAIARuGPIciZp9xo7o4towtZAXGgJtc-QnA0$> - upgrade from DSE 5.1 to 6.x). Underlying changes explains why it takes too much time to upgrade. Running upgradesstables in parallel across RAC - This is where I am not sure on impact of running in parallel (document recommends to run one node at time). During upgradesstables there are scenario's where it report file corruption, hence require corrective step I.e. scrub. Due to file corruption at times nodes goes down due to sstable corruption or result in high CPU usage ~100%. Performing above in parallel without downtime might result in more inconsistency across nodes. This scenario have not tested, so will need group help in case they have done similar upgrade in past (I.e. scenario's/complexity which needs to be considered and why guideline recommend to run upgradesstable one node at time). -Shishir On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 11:52 PM Josh Snyder <j...@code406.com<mailto:j...@code406.com>> wrote: Hello Shishir, It shouldn't be necessary to take downtime to perform upgrades of a Cassandra cluster. It sounds like the biggest issue you're facing is the upgradesstables step. upgradesstables is not strictly necessary before a Cassandra node re-enters the cluster to serve traffic; in my experience it is purely for optimizing the performance of the database once the software upgrade is complete. I recommend trying out an upgrade in a test environment without using upgradesstables, which should bring the 5 hours per node down to just a few minutes. If you're running NetworkTopologyStrategy and you want to optimize further, you could consider performing the upgrade on multiple nodes within the same rack in parallel. When correctly configured, NetworkTopologyStrategy can protect your database from an outage of an entire rack. So performing an upgrade on a few nodes at a time within a rack is the same as a partial rack outage, from the database's perspective. Have a nice upgrade! Josh On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 7:22 AM Shishir Kumar <shishirroy2...@gmail.com<mailto:shishirroy2...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, Need input on cassandra upgrade strategy for below: 1. We have Datacenter across 4 geography (multiple isolated deployments in each DC). 2. Number of Cassandra nodes in each deployment is between 6 to 24 3. Data volume on each nodes between 150 to 400 GB 4. All production environment has DR set up 5. During upgrade we do not want downtime We are planning to go for stack upgrade but upgradesstables is taking approx. 5 hours per node (if data volume is approx 200 GB). Options- No downtime - As per recommendation (DataStax documentation) if we plan to upgrade one node at time I.e. in sequence upgrade cycle for one environment will take weeks, so DevOps concern. Read Only (No downtime) - Route read only load to DR system. We have resilience built up to take care of mutation scenarios. But incase it takes more than say 3-4 hours, there will be long catch up exercise. Maintenance cost seems too high due to unknowns Downtime- Can upgrade all nodes in parallel as no live customers. This has direct Customer impact, so need to convince on maintenance cost vs customer impact. Please suggest how other Organisation are solving this scenario (whom have 100+ nodes) Regards Shishir ________________________________ The information in this Internet Email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this Email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this Email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in any applicable governing The Home Depot terms of business or client engagement letter. 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