Vince
Have you solved this problem?
If not - have you tried starting a completely new configuration directory?
Again if not this is what I would do -
close down all Libreoffice applications
Start a konsole session.
Save the existing Libreoffice configuration settings
* cd .config
* mv libreoffice libreoffice$(date +"%Y%m%d%H%M%S")
start the Libreoffice document that's been causing the problem and see what
happens!!
If it starts to look like this has fixed the problem you will have to
reconfigure Libreoffice. Some of the files can be used as is from the saved
configuration.
Alex
On Saturday 25 Jan 2014 15:00:47 Vince Radice wrote:
Hi, From my first post - I am running Fedora FC19-64 bit.
Libreoffice Version: 4.1.4.2
Build ID: 4.1.4.2-2.fc19 My Desktop is KDE 4.11.4 The problem is
that if I don't keep deleting these empty files, they will build up. I
first noticed this when looking through the log for my backup program.
There were over 250,000 files. I assume that the overhead involved in a
loist this size would be enourmous. I have also had problems where the hdd
activity was so great that I could not get much response and started closing
thing to try to figure out what the problem was. Since I have been keeping
the empty files deleted, I have not had the problem. This goes back
to my question - is anyone else seeing the same situation? Also, how
do I fix the problem of empty files? Thanks, Vince Radice
On 01/17/2014 03:28 AM, Alex McMurchy wrote:
Vince
In respect of the empty files -
* Which version of LibreOffice are you using?
* Which distro are you using?
* Which desktop?
* Is it causing you any hardship?
Alex
On Thursday 16 Jan 2014 10:10:31 Vince Radice wrote:
> It is Thursday morning. I looked and there were 10 empty files in the
>
> backup directory from 10:49 pm to 10:50 pm. When I tried to bring the
>
> database down this morning, it would not come down - Starter was not
>
> responding. I waited several times to see if it would clear up and
>
> end. Nothing. I finally terminated the application. Started Calc to
>
> cause the recovery procedure to work. Recovery was successful and no
>
> data was lost.
>
> I still cannot figure out what is causing the problem. I had thought
>
> that leaving it up overnight would create the files.
>
> Any suggestions as to what to do next? Any options that might need to
>
> be changed.
>
> Here is a link to a screen print of my LO Load/Save options.
>
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw7LR6zNWsAKRHY2dS1BdTNYQW8/edit?usp=sharing[1]
>
>
> As for the change to a different backend, I am open to suggestions.
> The
> size of my database now is about 900k. I make a few additions each
>
> week. So a small and fast is appropriate. I am open to suggestions.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Vince
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/16/2014 06:17 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > This mailing list might be able to help you migrate your existing
> >
> > tables to an external back-end. There was a looong thread about this
> >
> > a few years ago when Ian (err can't remember his surname [hangs head
> >
> > in shame]). It is roughly what i hope to do = start with the
> > internal
> > back-end and then migrate it.
> >
> > To be fair it's not Hsql that is the problem. It's the ancient
> > version that got twisted and squeezed into being the internal
> > back-end
> > in Base and then didn't get enough further developments. As an
> > external back-end, if you grab any of their newer versions straight
> >
> > from their website, then it apparently works like a dream (errr as
> > in
> > super fast and smooth, not as in imaginary). On the other hand it
> >
> > might be good to choose a different back-end and there are plenty to
> >
> > choose from.
> >
> > When choosing a back-end it might be worth considering what sort of
> >
> > size are you talking about. MySql/MariaDb, Postgresql and other big
> >
> > names are meant for huge amounts of data. I mean really vast and
> >
> > quite complex. For an address book for a small-medium sized business
> >
> > it's over kill and you might find them comparatively sluggish when
> >
> > handling that little data. What i need is something small and fast
> >
> > but that often points to java-based ones such as Hsql and java makes
> >
> > me shudder.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16 January 2014 01:19, Vince Radice <vhrad...@cfl.rr.com>[2]
> > wrote:
> >> Unfortunately, I don't know what causes the problem and, thus, I
> >> can't
> >> recreate it.
> >>
> >> I am trying something now. I brought it up, updated a record but
> >> did not
> >> save it (I have a saved copy someplace else). I intend to let it be
> >> up
> >> overnight and check in the morning for the files. I had already
> >> cleared out
> >> all of the empty ones. I noted the time I brought is up and made
> >> the
> >> change.
> >>
> >> I want to see if it reoccurs. if so, then when. I also intend to
> >> save it
> >> and close it in the morning. If the files are there, see if the
> >> creation
> >> stops. Hopefully, this will lead to why it is happening.
> >>
> >>
> >> On another tangent, I had lost data and had to recreate the db.
> >> During that
> >> process, I read a few things indicating that using HSQL could lead
> >> to losing
> >> data. The recommendation was to use an external db. I spent several
> >> weeks
> >> last year trying to get Mysql to work. I followed the conversion
> >> guidelines
> >> that I had found but was unable to get it to work. I created the
> >> Mysql
> >> database and was able to create and load the tables (I think) but I
> >> could
> >> never get Base to recognize and use it. All of my queries and
> >> reports are
> >> in Base. I may have to try again if I can find the time. This time
> >> I will
> >> record what I install and what I do.
> >>
> >> Vince Radice
> >>
> >> On 01/15/2014 11:46 AM, Alex Kempshall wrote:
> >>> Having said all that. It would appear that I've never had auto
> >>> backup
> >>> switched on.
> >>>
> >>> Having switched it on I now see backups and autobackups for writer
> >>> and
> >>> calc documents. Nothing at all for base documents.
> >>>
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday 15 Jan 2014 14:35:33 Alex McMurchy wrote:
> >>>> I used to have that problem. It seems to have stopped around
> >>>> about 16th
> >>>> July 2013. Not sure why!
> >>>>
> >>>> Either -
> >>>>
> >>>> I upgraded LibreOffice which stopped the feature
> >>>> or I did something else which I can't remember!
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently on 4.1.4.2.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday 15 Jan 2014 07:38:25 Tom Davies wrote:
> >>>>> Hi :)
> >>>>> Errr, is it possible to switch the auto-save and auto-backups
> >>>>> off for
> >>>>> a while and see if that improves things? The thing i find
> >>>>> difficult
> >>>>> about doing that is remembering to save properly and frequently
> >>>>>
> >>>>> enough. With Base i think it's also important to close properly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is some documentation and a handbook at
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications[3]
> >>>>> and the Faq at
> >>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq[4]
> >>>>> might be able to help too but the best place seems to be this
> >>>>> mailing
> >>>>> list or the Base forums at Apache OpenOffice.
> >>>>> Regards from
> >>>>> Tom :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 15 January 2014 07:30, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>[5]
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi :)
> >>>>>> Errr, are you using the internal back-end? You haven't
> >>>>>> connected to
> >>>>>> an external back-end have you? You should really be keeping
> >>>>>> your data
> >>>>>> in an external back-end instead of having the whole database as
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> single file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Being able to do that is one of the main things that makes Base
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> much more powerful than Access. The internal back-end got
> >>>>>> tacked on
> >>>>>> to make Base more familiar to people who have picked up bad
> >>>>>> habits by
> >>>>>> using Access. It seems to be a bit broken though. Annoyingly
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> Marketing Mailing List and all our flyers, posters and leaflets
> >>>>>> (at
> >>>>>> least all the ones that mention Base at all) keep pushing
> >>>>>> people into
> >>>>>> using the internal back-end despite the fact that users have
> >>>>>> even
> >>>>>> experienced data-loss by doing so. I'm tempted to ask you to
> >>>>>> take
> >>>>>> this problem to the marketing list to get them to solve it but
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> experts in Base are mostly on this list and will hopefully be
> >>>>>> able to
> >>>>>> help with this issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It should be possible to export your existing tables into an
> >>>>>> external
> >>>>>> back-end and this mailing list (note, not the marketing list)
> >>>>>> might be
> >>>>>> able to help you with that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The next smart thing about Base is that forms and reports can
> >>>>>> be, and
> >>>>>> are best made in Writer or/and (i think) Calc. So normal users
> >>>>>> who
> >>>>>> are clueless about databases can read the data in a familiar
> >>>>>> setting
> >>>>>> and use familiar tools to format and edit things around the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> data-fields. The forms and reports inside Base seem to be for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> data-entry and people who have some clue about databases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However i have never quite got around to getting to grips with
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>> this. So hopefully some of the experts might wade in and set me
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> straight (again)
> >>>>>> Regards from
> >>>>>> Tom :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 15 January 2014 05:57, Vince Radice <vhrad...@cfl.rr.com>[2]
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am running Fedora FC19-64 bit. Libreoffice Version: 4.1.4.2
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Build ID: 4.1.4.2-2.fc19
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here are some lines of a ls -la command
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 13:10 GRNew odb_0.odb
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1000.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1001.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1002.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1003.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1004.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1005.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1006.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1007.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1008.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1009.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 13:26 GRNew odb_100.odb
> >>>>>>> -rw-------. 1 vince root 0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1010.odb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My database name is GRNew,odb.
> >>>>>>> I was looking at some of the recent messages that were talking
> >>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>> LO
> >>>>>>> looping saving backups of untitled documents. It mentioned
> >>>>>>> Calc and
> >>>>>>> Write
> >>>>>>> as being involved. Could this be related to my problem?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Vince Radice
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 01/14/2014 12:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi :)
> >>>>>>>> On Ubuntu 12.04 i have no files in there. Do the file-names
> >>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>> with a ~ or with "lock"? In either of those cases i think you
> >>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>> delete the files without worry but it might be worth testing
> >>>>>>>> that for
> >>>>>>>> 1 or 2 files.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Going off on a tangent i do have a non-LibreOffice folder
> >>>>>>>> with a load
> >>>>>>>> of crash reports from when i don't close Xbmc properly and i
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> routinely
> >>>>>>>> delete all of them from time-to-time. I'm not sure if this is
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> similar
> >>>>>>>> or not.
> >>>>>>>> Regards from
> >>>>>>>> Tom :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 14 January 2014 04:12, Vince Radice
> >>>>>>>> _<vhrad...@cfl.rr.com>_ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I am seeing something and I don't know if it is a problem or
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> something I
> >>>>>>>>> have to live with.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In the ~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/backup directory, I have
> >>>>>>>>> 3,000+
> >>>>>>>>> files
> >>>>>>>>> with 0 bytes. I assume that this means the files are empty.
> >>>>>>>>> There
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>> files there which are not empty. The non-empty ones appear
> >>>>>>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>>> backups
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> files I have worked on. The empty files all appear to be
> >>>>>>>>> attempts
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> backup
> >>>>>>>>> a Base database that I have created using the built in hsql
> >>>>>>>>> engine.
> >>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>> file is stored on my computer. The time stamps on the files
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> unusual.
> >>>>>>>>> There are 6 files with a time stamp of 15:58, 6 with 15:59,
> >>>>>>>>> 6 with
> >>>>>>>>> 16:00
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> the pattern continues for the other 3,500 empty files.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Does any one else have the same situation? I have the
> >>>>>>>>> save/backup
> >>>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the general options set to 15 minutes.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have a listing of all of the files if anyone wants to see
> >>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you,
> >>>>>>>>> Vince Radice
> >>>>>>>>>
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