Dear Antonine Jay,

By looking at your frequencies, they seem not well converged. Consider that in a perfectly converged calculation the ASR should be respected and its application should affect only transnational modes. However, all the phonon frequencies change considerably there. Consider increasing the tr2_ph value to 10^-20 or higher in the ph.x input script and eventually also the wfc/density cutoff. Converging soft modes when a lot of atoms and few symmetries are present in the system could be really cumbersome with DFPT.

Bests,

Lorenzo


On 29/10/21 19:58, Tamas Karpati wrote:
Dear Antoine Jay,

I think that in case of multiple imaginary eigenvalues the lower
energy of a conformer
may be less indicative. On the other hand, frozen phonons might be
both needed and to be avoided,
unless you consider a sufficient number of surrounding atoms. Have you
checked if inclusion
of more atoms helps the imaginaries fade away? Did you try to toss O where the
imaginary eigenvectors suggest? This way imaginaries can be sorted out
one after the other
(lucky ones get rid of them at once :)

Hope this helps,
   t




On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:10 AM Antoine Jay <a...@laas.fr> wrote:
Dear users,
I would like to perform a phonon calculation at Gamma on a 216-atoms 
crystalline silicon supercell in which has been added 1 single oxygen (PBE 
functional).
This interstitial O is located 'nearly' in the middle of two Si, and 
unfortunately, many local minima are possible for its position: C2, C1, C1h, 
D3d, each of them being separated by a very small energy barrier and a small 
distance as already shown in Countinho-2000:
https://sci-hub.mksa.top/10.1103/physrevb.62.10824

When I calculate phonons of the C1h (that has the smallest energy) within DFPT, 
I obtain imaginary eigenvalues in the dynamical matrix.
Of course, when I look at the corresponding eigenvectors, I see that they are 
exactly located on the O.
Then I manually do a frozen phonon calculation using a displacement equal to 
the eigenvector and I see a positive curvature of the parabola meaning that the 
system is well at a minimum.
Increasing the size of the displacement in my Frozen phonon permits me to see 
the double minima switching between C2 and C1h.
I suppose that the size of the perturbation in DFPT is too high...? Where can I 
change it is the code?

Best regards,

Antoine Jay


Inputs in attachment
Results:
Forces are over converged:  Total force =  0.00049 Ry/au
Frequencies after DFPT are these
      freq (   1-   1) =       -118.6  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   2-   2) =       -114.5  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   3-   3) =        -99.2  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   4-   4) =        -38.0  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   5-   5) =        -37.7  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   6-   6) =        -37.7  [cm-1]   -->   ?
      freq (   7-   7) =         87.7  [cm-1]   --> A'              I+R
      freq (   8-   8) =         91.5  [cm-1]   --> A'              I+R
      freq (   9-   9) =         91.8  [cm-1]   --> A''             I+R

and after simple ASR:
# mode   [cm-1]    [THz]      IR
     1   -107.94   -3.2359    0.0000
     2    -38.83   -1.1640    0.0000
     3    -10.69   -0.3206    0.0000
     4     -2.67   -0.0801    0.0000
     5      8.82    0.2643    0.0000
     6     29.09    0.8720    0.0000
     7     97.81    2.9324    0.0000
     8     98.94    2.9661    0.0000
     9     98.97    2.9670    0.0000 
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