VACList Digest Tuesday, December 3 2002 Volume 03 : Number 032
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: RE: [VACList]pergo Re: [VACList]pergo Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA [VACList] Re: twister???? Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Re: [VACList] Re: twister???? Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Re: [VACList] Re: twister???? [VACList] Re: request information Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller [VACList] Squarestream Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:38:43 -0500 From: Lexxy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList]pergo Gotta tell ya...we got the floor down and it looks great...and I'm glad I got that floor covered since there was still residue of asbestos stuff there. My allergies bothered me every time I worked in there and I hope getting the floor covered and the walls scrubbed will help. We used the cheaper Lowes brand of Armstrong stuff but I'm sure it's fine for a $300 trailer!!! Lexxy/Lynn http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm ~ -----Original Message----- ~ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On ~ Behalf Of John Anderson ~ Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:44 PM ~ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Subject: Re: [VACList] rv refridgerators/pergo ~ ~ ~ One more data point for you...several of the listees, ~ including myself, ~ have installed laminate flooring (of which Pergo is one brand) in our ~ coaches. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:46:35 -0500 From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList]pergo Congratulations, Lexxy ... My Armstrong ne: pergo worked out great too. It's good to begin seeing some finished results isn't it? Jim Greene ' 68 Tradewind - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lexxy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:38 Subject: RE: [VACList]pergo > Gotta tell ya...we got the floor down and it looks great...and I'm glad > I got that floor covered since there was still residue of asbestos stuff > there. My allergies bothered me every time I worked in there and I hope > getting the floor covered and the walls scrubbed will help. We used the > cheaper Lowes brand of Armstrong stuff but I'm sure it's fine for a $300 > trailer!!! > > Lexxy/Lynn > http://flummoxed.org/lexxey/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:06:57 -0800 From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller Hi Dr. G., Your prognostication regarding replacing rubber hoses and gaskets is coming true. Today we repaired the vacuum line on the water pump and as soon as it started serious sucking a lot of holes opened in the hose and joints. The wind wings are maybe the biggest problem of all. They are so poorly seated that they whine at high pitch whenever we get up to speed. I found a shop in Escondido that had no problem working on a vintage Air Conditioning. They even said that they might come up with a better looking dash plate for the unit. I'm going to let them fix both A/C and heater motors tomorrow. As soon as the fix-up repairs are done I will do a complete preventive maintenance trip on tranny and rear end. The van runs great and I can't wait to pull my Safari to the first VAC rally. I was so impressed by the event in Santa Maria. Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com 66 Airstream Safari Mira Mar Mobile Park Oceanside, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:57:19 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Hello Airstreamers, I recently bought an Airstream motorhome in Alabama, and need to get there from northern California to bring it home. Does anyone have something (anything from a little car to a Peterbilt and a set of doubles) that needs to be driven to that neck of the woods? Or any ideas about how to get a really cheap flight? Any help would be appreciated! Best regards, Rik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:26:09 -0500 From: jim graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: twister???? has anybody ever heard of a new retro a/s type travel trailer called the twister? my cousin saw it on the same channel with monster garage. jim g 54 safari 57 caravaner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:35:51 -0800 From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Hi Rik, Try www.Travelocity.com , the wife got a great roundtrip from MT to CO for $197. She thinks it is the best place for reasonable rates. She was one of two people singled out of line for a full search on the return. She was a little miffed. If you look like a Caucasian school teacher you better stay at home. :) Good Luck! JimW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik & Susan Beeson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA > Hello Airstreamers, > > I recently bought an Airstream motorhome in Alabama, and need to get > there from northern California to bring it home. Does anyone have > something (anything from a little car to a Peterbilt and a set of > doubles) that needs to be driven to that neck of the woods? Or any ideas > about how to get a really cheap flight? Any help would be appreciated! > > Best regards, > > Rik > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:57:27 -0800 From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: twister???? www.fiftiestrailers.com ... not much like an airstream, but a cool retro-look for that 57 chevy or t-bird restoration... Tuna Reno, NV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:45:52 -0500 From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Rik, Southwest Airlines does it for less than $99 one way out of Oakland - might need a return to get that price and 14 day advance purchase. Just got to check the destinations. Choose the right day and JetBlue does it for under $100 plus other fees. My flight from Dulles to Oakland and return is $230! :) Then, Continental sometimes beats SWA and has the right destination. Check the web sites, I'm sure you won't find anything that drives that will beat these fares. Well, sometimes there something positive about being over 65. '74 Argosy, Joy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:15:24 -0700 From: Brad Norgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: twister???? Hi all, The 'Twister' trailer has been getting some airtime on television lately, at least around here. It appears on a commercial for a Land Rover, I believe. The commercial starts out with a guy flocking, that's fLOcking, a trimmed Christmas tree at a corner tree lot and the trailer is quite noticeable on the lot in several shots. The trailer only appears on the long version of the commercial. Looks right at home but way too nice for a tree lot attendant. Brad Norgaard Phoenix '59 Trade Wind Twin VAC #2699, TCT > www.fiftiestrailers.com ... not much like an airstream, but a cool > retro-look for that 57 chevy or t-bird restoration... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:40:40 -0600 From: "BILL DEERING" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: request information Sorry to throw this into our AIRSTREAM group but I'm wondering if anyone has knowledge or experience with Avions. I now have a really nice 71 Airstream Safari but have the possibility of picking up a mid 1970's 26 foot Avion for what seems to be a reasonable price. I have not yet looked at the trailer but will probably have a chance to do so in a few weeks. If I buy it I plan to do some updating and then try to resell. I know that could prove to be a bad investment but I doubt it will do worse than the last 18 months in mutual funds. Any comments on what to look for or look out for would be appreciated. Please respond off list. Thanks, Bill - ---------- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (VACList Digest) >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: VACList Digest V3 #31 >Date: Mon, Dec 2, 2002, 7:00 AM > > > VACList Digest Monday, December 2 2002 Volume 03 : Number 031 > > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > Topics in Today's Digest: > > Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > [VACList] Nice old puller for sale... > [VACList] Argosy color match > Re: [VACList] Argosy color match > Re: [VACList] Argosy color match > Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:20:25 -0500 > From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > > I had a 64 ford truck , I was out on a date and she started starving for fuel > (not the girl , the truck ! ) so I eased it in to my uncles shop nearby , took > the mechanical fuel pump apart , the diaphram had a hole in it , but I was able > to stretch it enough to keep it from leaking put it together and was on my way , > drove it six weeks before I replaced the pump for 29 bucks or so . They dont > make `em the way they used to ! > Chris > > "Dash7 (Michigan)" wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> About 5 years ago I was in the process of moving a 64 Falcon from Cincinnati >> to Michigan when I ran into a problem of gas dripping from the fuel pump. >> The closest Ford dealer didn’t stock parts for cars that old (the young >> counter man didn't know what a Falcon was) but did give me a number for a >> place that did. When I called and explained my problem, the voice on the >> other end said it probably wasn’t the pump but the screw on filter mounted >> on top. In any event, he stocked both! I went out and checked and he was >> correct. Needless to say, I was impressed with his knowledge. Six bux >> later I was on my way with a new filter and “O” ring. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:45:39 -0600 > From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > > Ah, I forgot the fuel pump. That's another item I'd replace on general > old age principles. Generally when the camshaft driven pump leaks, most > of the fuel leaked through the split diaphragm goes into the crankcase > and gasoline is lousy lubricant, bearings wear rapidly when there's more > gasoline than oil in the crankcase. On my old truck, I've gone to an > electric pump, though I've not been pleased with the longevity of them. > I use an electric pump on my standby generator too, but I've had to > replace them at less than ten year intervals because they have failed. > Some didn't like ethanol, some just quit pumping. And that's with very > little use which may have not been great for them. > > One fuel filter I bought for the old truck came with hose chunks that > gasoline ate through. I didn't like finding fuel dripping near the left > exhaust manifold when the head is eroded and the manifold leaks flames > when the engine is running. So be sure the fuel line pieces are REALLY > rated for modern gasolines that will have methanol and ethanol. > > Gerald J. > - -- > Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > Reproduction by permission only. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:30:19 -0800 > From: Jeffrey Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Nice old puller for sale... > > Hi all!! > I've got a 1985 Ford 3/4 ton, straight 6, 4 speed that I've pulled > our 77 Sovereign with. We're not moving our Trailer much these days and > don't need it. I've invested 5 grand in documented improvements and feel > this truck is in sound shape. It's located in northern Idaho. If you > would like to know more, please email me. sincerely, Jeff > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:29:17 -0800 > From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Argosy color match > > Hi all, > > Has anyone found a reasonable match to the Argosy color in a spray can at > any of the hardware stores? I need a quick coat of Rustoleum or something > else to cover bad spots on the front galvanized dome of my trailer where the > paint has worn off. Something to protect it over the winter from snow and > rain. We might have a warm day left where I can touch this up a bit. > > I could brush or roll something on too. > > I know the formula for the paint color is still available, and I will look > into that next spring. I would guess the paint has faded some over the > years and will not match for doing touchups. > > I have found some epoxy appliance paints at the hardware store that are > close in color, but I am worried they might interfere with new paint when I > am ready to do the correct job. Should I use a spray primer to avoid > difficulties next spring? I have heard of one person who painted their > whole trailer with Rustoleum, and it looked good. Much lighter than the > present color. They did not say if a primer was used, but mentioned the > intention to clear coat it soon. Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jim Widdicombe > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:05:51 -0500 > From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Argosy color match > > Jim, > Check out you local Auto Parts/Auto Body Supply store. I've had them mix up > the correct color from their color chips in very small quantites then insert > the mix into a spray can for me. It's a bit more expensive than Home Depot > spray cans but it's better paint and the color you want. As this is > antomotive paint it shouldn't be a problem when it comes time for the > complete respray. > Colin Hyde > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:29 PM > Subject: [VACList] Argosy color match > > >> Hi all, >> >> Has anyone found a reasonable match to the Argosy color in a spray can at >> any of the hardware stores? I need a quick coat of Rustoleum or something >> else to cover bad spots on the front galvanized dome of my trailer where > the >> paint has worn off. Something to protect it over the winter from snow and >> rain. We might have a warm day left where I can touch this up a bit. >> >> I could brush or roll something on too. >> >> I know the formula for the paint color is still available, and I will look >> into that next spring. I would guess the paint has faded some over the >> years and will not match for doing touchups. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:59:15 -0500 > From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Argosy color match > > Hi Jim, > > With all things, there's a time and a season or doing things. Here in > Southern VA, it's much too late to do much painting unless you are lucky and > have a hanger or other large heated enclosure to do painting, etc. Sixty > degrees seems to be a minimum temperature that most paints can be > successfully used. Goes for epoxy and foam products. > > My recommendation, since it is a painted unit, is to cover it with plastic > canvas for the winter. Just be careful about the type of bungee and the > grommets on the canvas. I've not yet covered mine, but will do so in the > next few weeks as the snow usually doesn't hit here until January. Quite > cold with some night time temperatures approaching the mid 20s, but most are > still above freezing. My concern is the water seeping into seams and > freezing to damage the seam. > > I got my Spray paint from Lowe's. Not the best, but it's called Rust-Oleum > "Almond 7507", Hi performance Enamel - fast drying. I used it just to cover > the bare aluminum where the previous paint had peeled. Hopefully it will > hold fast until I get around to real painting. I was very impressed with > recent list comments about painting with a roller and the type of paints > used. The spray is convenient and easy. However, a roller might do a > better and more lasting job. > > Best is to buy a "CoverAll Carport". Here, an 18X20 is $595 ; but, needs > another $150 to increase height cover an airstream with an air conditioner. > Still not a bad price considering what to protect. Local suppliers sell the > panels for $1.10 per foot at 36 inches wide or about $25 per 20 foot panel. > Not a bad price! :) These guys seem to be all over the east coast and > especially Florida. Must be all over the country for competitive pricing. > > I've posted this before, but seldom had any response as to availability in > other parts of the country. Then, $595 for an 18X20 installed carport might > seem rediculously low priced. Not for me, as I now have four of these units > in my yard! :) > > Regards, Joy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:44:42 -0800 > From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > > What a great site! Thanks for the bookmark. > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com > 66 Airstream Safari > Mira Mar Mobile Park > Oceanside, CA > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dash7 (Michigan)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller > > >> Bob, >> >> About 5 years ago I was in the process of moving a 64 Falcon from > Cincinnati >> to Michigan when I ran into a problem of gas dripping from the fuel pump. >> The closest Ford dealer didn't stock parts for cars that old (the young >> counter man didn't know what a Falcon was) but did give me a number for a >> place that did. When I called and explained my problem, the voice on the >> other end said it probably wasn't the pump but the screw on filter mounted >> on top. In any event, he stocked both! I went out and checked and he > was >> correct. Needless to say, I was impressed with his knowledge. Six bux >> later I was on my way with a new filter and "O" ring. I no longer have > the >> Falcon but I did keep the business card from this parts house. They told > me >> that they had parts for vehicles all the way back to the Model A. They > may >> be able to help you with the gaskets for the wing vents. Here is all of > the >> info off of that card. >> >> Better yet...I just did a search and found they have a web site! >> >> http://www.greensalescompany.com/ >> >> Don (MI) >> >> ======================== >> >> >From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller >> >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:01:40 -0800 >> > >> >Thanks Dr. G. for the info on the 302. I will check all the hoses and >> >rubber parts for rot and wear. I added a second "house" battery from my >> >old >> >truck. Just connected hot lead to hot lead and ground to ground. I > assume >> >this will work but am waiting for clarification. >> > >> >This 73 Camper van is so clean that it even turns the heads of younger > kids >> >when we park in town. The biggest problems currently seen are that the >> >heater motor doesn't work. I would also like to get rid of, or fix the > air >> >conditioning. Rubber around the wind wings doesn't fit tightly. >> > >> >I measured the length to be only 14 feet. Add the Safari and I should be >> >styling with a total caravan length less than 40 feet. >> > >> >Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com >> >66 Airstream Safari >> >Mira Mar Mobile Park >> >Oceanside, CA >> > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text >> >> To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to >> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html >> > > ------------------------------ > > End of VACList Digest V3 #31 > **************************** > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:32:01 -0600 From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Vintage Puller Bob, its not worth the troubleshooting to find the bad hoses. Just buy a complete set (and belts) and replace everything in one session. That way you only have to drain the radiator once. Don't forget the heater hoses and the flexible fuel line hoses, also the flexible brake hoses. I didn't replace the brakes hoses on my '65 F350 at first, but one day while pulling a hay rack to a town about three southwest of here to pick up a couple tons of steel beams, unknown to me the flexible hose to the rear axle swelled shut, and the warmth of the slight drag of the brakes heated the brake fluid. Now that truck as a 390 with a none-factory 4 barrel carburetor and a none factory 5.375 rear axle ratio. That engine will pull it with the brake pedal pushed HARD, so its not bothered with a little bit of dragging. As I went through the chicanes in the next to the last town, there was a BLAM out back. At first I thought it was engine backfire in the exhaust since the exhaust lines aren't sealed well at the head, but looking back in the big outside mirror I saw a black mushroom cloud rolling out from under the truck. In a block or two I found a place I could pull truck and hay rack off the road and checked. The inside rear dual was missing its inside sidewall. At that point I didn't yet know why it had blown, and I had brakes so I drove on, loaded up the 2 tons of steel beams and pulled them home (slowly as the hay rack trails badly when loaded). After I unhitched the hayrack at the barn I drove a couple miles up the road and dropped in on the neighbor. He noticed brake fluid around the right rear brake plate dripping on the ground. I drove it on home (some 25 or 30 miles since the BLAM), and worked on taking it apart. The tire (with tube) had blown from heat according to the tire dealer. I pulled the brake drum and found the brake linings burned to powder, and the springs annealed. The brake cylinder parts were hanging out and the brake shoe hold down parts were missing. Then it was apparent what had happened. That old brake line had swelled closed, the heat of the day had made the brakes drag until that one tire blew up (had duals and wasn't putting any load on the truck so I figured I couldn't do any more damage to that blown tire, so I didn't take it off until I was at home). The line stayed closed well enough that I had adequate brakes on the way home (at 18 mph) but they were dependent on that line staying swelled closed. NAPA was able to supply the needed parts to fix the brake, though many had to be ordered. After that I replaced the other flexible lines. Much longer ago, summer of 1963, a college buddy and I went fishing in SE Missouri. We dropped off my car (I had just graduated) at my uncle's body shop for rust repair and took Russell's '53 Ford wagon to the lake. On the way back to pick up my car, it began running badly and they not at all. It acted like it was out of fuel, but blowing on the fuel line showed no restriction. Finally we replaced a flexible fuel line, and drove on. The lining had come loose and the suction of the fuel pump was causing it to collapse and shut off the fuel. Experiences like these are what make me say, "REPLACE ALL THE HOSES before they fail in an inopportune spot, like on the way across Baja..." Gerald J. - -- Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. Reproduction by permission only. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:09:19 -0700 From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Squarestream If anybody hasn't seen a "squarestream" there is one on ebay now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974789279 Take Care Terry O'Neill Calgary 66 Trade-Wind Double WBCCI 4786 VAC http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:14:16 -0800 From: Rik & Susan Beeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Going to Alabama from CA Hello Joy, It kills me to see the cheap fares for "over 65". I'm not quite there yet, but getting closer by the day. Best regards, Rik Mr. Joy H. Hansen wrote: >Check the web sites, I'm sure you won't find anything that drives that will >beat these fares. Well, sometimes there something positive about being over >65. > > '74 Argosy, Joy > > > ------------------------------ End of VACList Digest V3 #32 **************************** When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
