VACList Digest Wednesday, January 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 074
When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html Topics in Today's Digest: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box - moderation [VACList] Re: [A/S] Solar Panel Suggestions? [VACList] Gel battery [VACList] moderation Re: [VACList] Re: [A/S] Solar Panel Suggestions? Re: [VACList]replacement/out of the box RE: [VACList] Double Bed [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #73 replacement axle and other stuff Re: [VACList] Double Bed RE: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #73 replacement axle and other stuff Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Re: [VACList] moderation Re: [VACList] moderation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:43:04 -0800 (PST) From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box - moderation It's getting too predictable people. I for one know that I have to watch axle discussions (among others) to find personal attacks. The list moderators have taken on more responsibilities over the last month and with that comes less time. When I have less time, I'm less tolerant. A Personal attack, and having to defend yourself against it, is not only unproductive but is a good way to get yourself banned from the list. Sadly, these things are coming from some of our more knowledgeable members - and we would all hate to see the information go away. But simply because you have the information doesn't make you immune to moderation. talk about how to replace an axle, how to fix one, or the benefits of one axle compared to the other and keep your "service" reviews offline AS WELL AS your defense against these reviews or risk being taken offlist. It's not that hard. Toby Folwick VACList co-moderator __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:48:00 -0500 From: Dick Kenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: [A/S] Solar Panel Suggestions? >Solar Panels - What do they cost? Are they worth it? If so, what should I >look for when buying and maybe where would be a good place to buy and have >installed? This question reminds me...I'm about to make my almost-annual replacement of both batteries. Currently, I have Die Hard Marine/RV deep cycle batteries, which have not met my expectations in the past. I expect this is because the trailer is left in storage much of the year, not connected (with the kill switch turned to "off"). I bring them home in winter, and keep them charged. However, currently one of them is not accepting a full charge (according to my "automatic" charger). I've heard that Interstate batteries are a better brand, but have no experience with them. Any suggestions on battery brands? I don't want to spend $150 each on Optimas and have them fail in the same way. I also would like to know if the solar panels advertised for battery charging (only) at places like Camping World are worthwhile. I have all the solar-energy literature that I can find, including Terry Tyler's emails. I just want to be able to keep the batteries charged while the trailer is in storage. We don't boondock, except on rare occasions when in parks without electric service, or perhaps on caravan. One day at most. I would appreciate any suggestions and/or comments the listees might have about experiences with this rather limited use of solar. - - Dick (5368) "God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over. Why should you and I?" -Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) - --------------------------------------- Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672 Retired and loving it! WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella Atlanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:40:55 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VACList] Gel battery In a message dated 1/13/2003 10:27:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This is a GEL > type battery supposed to be like indestructable and ventless. Has anyone > used it or experienced one of these? I would like some feed back before > I pay $150.00 for a battery. Makes the hassle with the $80.00 RV battery > seem bearable when you consider the price difference, but hassle free > RVing is priceless. > I bought one 6months ago ( actually it was the second one..the first was for my 82 Jag. XJS) I love them....Both never seem to loose any charge. The Jag. sits for long periods and they are notorious for killing batterys. It's in the trunk so the non venting aspect is perfect! The one in the A.S. I used on a 4day camping trip in the AZ mountains using lights water pump and TV. The needle never moved from full! Both were worth every penny! AlanT Phoenix Az 74 safari ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:08:43 -0500 From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] moderation There are two moderation items that I must publically speak up on. First, if you notice an off topic post that you feel the need to respond to, respond to it OFF-LIST! ---I (and the other moderators) don't care that you were ONLY responding. What you just did was to increase the amount of off topic posts. Second, Drop the personal attacks. In the future anyone that attacks another list member (or another list member's business practices) will be dropped from the list. NO WARNINGS, NO EXCEPTIONS. To the other 99% of the list members. Thank you for abiding by the guidelines, especially over the Christmas season. The monitors all appreciated that gift. Monitor Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:15:51 -0700 From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Re: [A/S] Solar Panel Suggestions? I don't have experience with the Optima batteries, but I put Concorde "Lifeline" AGM batteries my A/S last year and am sold on them. No overcharge problems from the InteliPower, they have never run down, no venting needed and no spilling. They are perfect. I suspect the Optimas are the same. The solar powered battery chargers usually put out only small amounts of charging current, and might have a hard time keeping up after a boondocking trip. They are designed for light duty use. Then there is the problem of storage when you are ready to go, unless you fix them to the roof. One point: You will pay twice as much for any panel at Camping World or another RV place than you will at some place that only deals in solar panels. Check the yellow pages. Roger Roger Hightower WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD Mesa, AZ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:00:39 -0500 From: "Paul P. Waddell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList]replacement/out of the box To all, I did not mean to start the "axle war" again. I was just saying for "me" I'm going the quick/easy route. But I did notice on the InlandRV web site "DEALER INQUIRIES WELCOME!". It says they are the "exclusive national distributors" which we all know that many distributors will not sell direct to the public only through dealers. Maybe someone one this list would like to become a "axle dealer" and resell them at the "dealer" price they get by buying in volume. I would think there would have to be a minimum number of axles that a dealer would have to buy per year to get a discount. Is there someone one the list that would like to invest in an "axle dealership"?? And then past those savings on to the rest of the group. I would think if someone can guarantee a minimum number of say 50 to 100 axles at a time the discount could be pretty good. If I get the chance I will call Andy and ask about becoming a dealer. Sorry to start the axle war again!! Paul Waddell WBCCI/VAC 1270 "Paul P. Waddell" wrote: > > I'm sure many people that play with Airstreams like myself love > to color outside of the lines, think there is always a better/ > cheaper way, etc... But, I also think in today's world that time > is money. My question to every one that is doing an axle replacement > is how much is your time worth? At a rate of $35.00 an hour, how > long will it take with phone calls/emails/making/cutting/welding/ > etc... to make up the difference in the price between > all the above and just bolting a new axle up in place? There is > something to be said for "out of the box". Maybe I just have more > money than time (coming from a person that has three jobs!) I need > things, that when needed to be replaced, can be done fast and easy. > I know for myself when I have to do the replacement, I'll buy the > axle that is the fastest and easiest to replace. And no, one of my > jobs is not working for Andy (Inlandrv) or Henchen. > > Paul Waddell > WBCCI/VAC 1270 > 66 Overlander > 70 LY23' single > > Dick Parins wrote: > > > > Gerald J wrote: > > > > It would be better for the trailer for the spring rate to > > match the load actually applied and that effective spring rate will > > depend on the arm angle. > > ----- > > > > This makes sense to me. Can anyone tell me how to determine the correct > > arm angle? The axles are available with different angles. I know that I have > > read that 15 degrees down is good but is that about where I want a new > > axle to start? Or is there a way to calculate the spring rate at different > > angles and different weights based on information the manufacturer > > should have if only I knew enough to ask. > > > > Joy I'm still hoping to get an update on your axle replacement project if your > > out there. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dick > > '62 Bambi > > -- > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > Meet Singles > > http://corp.mail.com/lavalife > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:11:52 -0600 From: "Jim Combs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] Double Bed Do the latex mattresses require a foundation, or box spring? How do they compare to the memory foams or tempur-pedic? - -----Original Message----- From: Joann Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >One more thought on the mattress thing. Natural latex foam lasts, >unchanged, for years. It doesn't dry out and get brittle or loose its >flexibility or support. There are some factories out west at least (Ft >Bragg, CA is one) that will pretty much cut to fit. I've replaced all >our mattresses in the house with Englander latex ones and just love >them. I am redoing a '57 Bubble and wouldn't consider anything else for >the beds in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:13:08 -0600 From: "Jim Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #73 replacement axle and other stuff Hello Andy, Sure glad you have gained enough time to post on the list again. Wisdom comes at an expense regardless of the topic. Your help on all of my restoration projects has sure made my fun projects fun and not caused alot of added expense to correct trial and error mistakes. I sure hope when I need new axles for my 73 you are still stocking them. I dont know much but I am sure I dont have the smarts to modify axles and my airstream to give me a dependable safe modification I will be comfortable dragging down the hiway at 65 miles an hour. Please keep sharing your expertise with those of us who appreciate it. Jim Taylor WBCCI5562 Coffeyville, Ks - ----- Original Message ----- From: "VACList Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: VACList Digest V3 #73 > > VACList Digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 073 > > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > Topics in Today's Digest: > > [VACList] to: RJ for photo archives > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > [VACList] Double Bed > Re: [VACList] Baseball cap was Blue Beret > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] Axle replacement > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:17:07 -0500 > From: "David Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] to: RJ for photo archives > > These are photos of a 1972 29' Airstream International > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/airstreaminternational.html > > > > If pictures do not come up, they are at: > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior1.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior2.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior3.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior4.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/frontsofa.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/paneltambours.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/fulltable.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/halftable.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/tvarea.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/kitchencounters.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/kitchencounter2.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/4burnerstove.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/cabinetsdometic.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicdoor.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicfreezer.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicshelves.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroomsofa.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroombed.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroomdrawers.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/closetcloseup.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/showerrack.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bathcounter.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bathsink.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/storagecounter.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/tolietstorage.jpg > > > > http://www.theshadydell.com/about.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:31:04 -0600 > From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there are quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though overall the list is great. > > > _DAVID > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from home, or > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at alternatives, and > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > | > > |Gerald J. > > |-- > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > | > > |---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > |When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > | > > |To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > |http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > | > > | > > <center>=========================================================== > > </center> > > <center>David R. Warner, Jr. > > 19507 485th Lane > > McGregor, Minnesota 55760 > > Phone 218-426-3900 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > </center> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:33:31 -0600 > From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > How are the additional batteries wired into the system so that they are charged along with the original battery and feed the system in parallel with the original battery? > > > _DAVID > > > At 02:03 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > |Bobby, > > |I was doing some work on some prototype electric scooters last year for a > > |client. We tried a variety of batteries in these vehicles and discovered > > |that the optima yellow caps worked the best. They will take a lot of abuse. > > |One of the nice things about them is that they can't be spilled. You can > > |orient them any way you like and they work great. You can even punch a hole > > |through them and they won't leak. I've installed three of them under one of > > |the bunks on my 59 Ambassador International and they haven't given me a bit > > |of grief. If you've got the money, go for it. You won't regret it. The > > |original battery on my trailer is located in an aluminum box riveted onto > > |the front of the trailer. Over the years acid has spilled, leaked and spit > > |all around this area and the aluminum requires a lot of work to look good. > > |This box will be a tool box by spring and I will be glad to get rid of the > > |low amp hour tractor battery that doesn't cut it. > > |Hope this helps you out. > > |PS I also installed two of them in my 87 Suburban 6.2 liter Diesel with a > > |Banks "Sidewinder" Turbo. No problems starting it either. > > |Colin Hyde > > |----- Original Message ----- > > |From: <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > |To: <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > |Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:27 PM > > |Subject: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > | > > | > > |> Hey. Got another dead battery, want hold a charge for long, and I'm > > |getting tired of it not lasting at least till the free replacement time is > > |up. That's actually a good thing in that it saves me money, but waste my > > |time by having to baby a weak battery. I went to a Battery Source store > > |yesterday and was checking out the Optima Battery. This is a GEL type > > |battery supposed to be like indestructable and ventless. Has anyone used it > > |or experienced one of these? I would like some feed back before I pay > > |$150.00 for a battery. Makes the hassle with the $80.00 RV battery seem > > |bearable when you consider the price difference, but hassle free RVing is > > |priceless. > > |> Thanks > > |> Bobby > > | > > | > > | > > |---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > |When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > | > > |To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > |http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > | > > | > > <center>=========================================================== > > </center> > > <center>David R. Warner, Jr. > > 19507 485th Lane > > McGregor, Minnesota 55760 > > Phone 218-426-3900 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > </center> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:07:16 -0700 > From: "Randy Unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > I noted that Costco in the Denver area carries both the red and yellow top > Optima batteries. The yellow is $150. With an Executive Membership and free > Costco Rebate American Express card, one can collect 3.5% off this for a net > of $145. > I have a yellow top in my Overlander and plan to add another plus one for my > Sovereign, courtesy of Amex rebates due this month. > Randy Unter > '66 Overlander > '73 Sovereign > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:20:23 -0700 > From: "Randy Unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Double Bed > > I replaced the twin foam mattresses in My Overlander with custom 4" inner > spring mattresses, and the front couch/bed with three layer foam (soft on > the outside, firm in the center). Both versions are immensely comfortable, > but they weren't cheap-$1000 for all.. In fact, I tried out the beds in a > new Safari and "hit bottom" just moving around. The new technology in > mattresses is far superior to the old Latex mattesses used by Airstream, and > what goes into the cheaper line of A/S today. > Randy Unter > '66 Overlander > '73 Sovereign > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:00:39 -0500 > From: "Lewis A. Lindner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Baseball cap was Blue Beret > > 1/12/2003 4:10:06 PM, Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I think she could use our > >prayers , she has been in mine lately . > > Thank you, Chris. I think we all have a warm spot in our hearts for Pearl. Be assured > she will be in our prayers. > > -- Lew #4239 > > '72 Safari > bicycle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:54:09 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > David. > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the absence > of doing something constructive. > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide a part > forever. > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no longer > be available. > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be it. We > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. Most > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those parts still > available. > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged that quite > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame and > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are reasons why > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. They > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of time, > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume that a > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a better > product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when they need a new > light fixture, and must make changes. > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own agenda. > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > with me. > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And while we > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > Airstream. > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > That "IS" the American way. > > Andy > inlandrv.com > airstreamparts.com > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there are > > quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though overall the > > list is great. > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from home, or > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at alternatives, and > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > | > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > |-- > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:07:44 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Axle replacement > > Good luck on your axle swap. Hope you take real good notes so you can share them with us. > Bobby > > > > From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/01/12 Sun PM 06:22:30 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [VACList] Axle replacement > > > > Joy wrote: > > This means detuning a standard 3500#s axle to the > > weight > > needed for the trailer. > > ---- > > Does this mean the spring rate of a Dexter axle can be adjusted below the stated specification? If yes can this be done after installation or is this something you must have done at the factory when the axle is built? > > > > With regard to Paul's "out of the box" philosophy: I agree with respect to many things, for example automobile repair and maintenance is something I buy. To me there are two differences in the case of my Vintage Airstream. First I am doing this as a project. If the only challenge was to pay someone enough money to get what I want I'd be way further ahead to buy someone else's completed project. Less importantly but still significant to me is the fact that I cannot comparison shop for an out of the box solution to the axle question. I'm not a hardcore bargain hunter but it troubles me that Inland RV has a monopoly in this case. I'm not making a judgment regarding the value of their inside information. I just think a little competition is a good thing. So lacking that I am going to see if, with a lot of help from the list, I can save about 50%. Wish me luck! > > > > Thanks for the info Joy. > > > > Dick > > '62 Bambi > > -- > > __________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > Meet Singles > > http://corp.mail.com/lavalife > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:10:35 -0500 > From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Andy, > > Great post and a B I G thanks for being there for owners of older Airstream > trailers like me for instance! > > Please don't let anyone sell your business short, you are doing a great job > for the rest of us that don't care to nor can afford to re-invent the wheel. > Personally I could care less about anyone re-engineering their own personal > setup, I wish them the best. However, to lambast you and your business for > being ahead of the curve is not a nice thing to do to say the least. > > I bet we will never hear from those who struggle to re-invent their wheels. > But I can almost guarantee you that we will forever be hearing from those > who'd complain if they were hung with new rope! > > I would like to hear more success stories from people who have found your > service and business exactly what the doctor ordered. And no, Gerald is not > the 'Dr' I'm referring to here. ;) > > Keep up the great work, Andy! > > Tom Meeker > WBCCI 5303 > 1969 29' Airstream International Ambassador > 1995 34' Airstream Classic Excella FK > 2001 Ford Excursion 4x4 PSD 3:73 > 1990 Ford Bronco Eddie Bauer 4x4 5.8-liter > I could go on but what's the use? ;) > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the > absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide a > part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no > longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that > Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be it. > We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those parts > still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged that > quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are reasons > why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be > interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. > They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of > time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume that > a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a > miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a better > > product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when they need a > new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds > of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:29:43 -0800 > From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > I may have (inadvertently) set events in motion a year or so ago when i contacted Henschen directly to order a DuraFlex axle for my '48 Trailwind renovation. I spoke with a salesperson who was very helpful, and indeed, he contacted Airstream to find out if there were any restrictions or problems with supplying an axle for an obsolete Airstream design (the torsion-bar axles didn't exist in 1948). Henschen was very helpful, and sold me a 3500lb-rated axle complete with electric brakes,spring shocks, and the particular bolt-pattern backing-plates i needed; delivered to my local yellow freight office for an extremely reasonable price. > > Some time after this, Henschen entered into an agreement with Airstream, and i believe that the terms of that agreement does not allow Henschen to do what they did for me, anymore. > > If one wishes to replace the original equipment Henschen axle on their Airstream, they now must either: > a) pay somewhat more than i did, and get a direct replacement through an Airstream dealer > or > b) try to determine the specs themselves, and either buy a Henschen or other torsion-bar axle either directly from the manufacturer, or through a generic trailer parts supplier for less money. > > The crucial difference (as i see it), is whether the buyer feels confident in his/her ability to 'spec' their new axle; or if they just want to get the 'correct' axle using Airstream's specs, and pay substantially more for Airstream's (and their authorized repair people) expertise. > > Tuna > reno, nv, usa > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:33:11 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Ok now. Let's drop the jabs please. > I don't need a bunch of this on my mail box. > Thanks > Bobby > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2003/01/13 Mon PM 05:54:09 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a better > > product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there are > > > quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though overall the > > > list is great. > > > > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from home, or > > > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at alternatives, and > > > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > > > | > > > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > > > |-- > > > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > > > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:20:54 -0500 > From: jrdorsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Andy, > What you have here is a PR problem. What happened is that you were to > quick to leap into the breach on the axles. > > This is what you should do the next time a vendor wants to discontinue a > vital product. Instead of stepping in right away so the supply is not > interrupted, let them make the announcement that will no longer be > supplying axles (or whatever) at all. People will get up in arms, write > protest letters, beg and plead with them etc. > > Then after a few weeks you step in and announce that you have talked > them into continuing to supply the (whatever part) but they refuse to be > a retailer, and will only sell through authorized retailers, and you are > the first authorized retailer. > > You will be a hero instead of a villain, in the resulting celebration no > one will notice that you are the only authorized retailer. If they tell > them that no one else is interested in investing the time, money and > research to be an authorized retailer. > > See the facts are exactly the same, only the IMPLEMENTATION is > different. I've learned one thing about America and that's that > APPEARANCE is more important that REALITY. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a better > > product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > - -- > John Dorsey > Wauchula FL > http://www.strato.net/~jrdorsey > '49 3800 Chevy Panel > '52 640 GMC Firetruck > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 7:34:45 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Hey, Andy, welcome back. I wondered if you were still on the list as I hadn't heard from you in quite a while. I guessed you must have been busy finding more replacement parts for our old vintage Airstreams. What's new? > > Jim Greene > '68 Tradewind > > - ------------------------------------ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2003/01/13 Mon PM 05:54:09 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a better > > product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there are > > > quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though overall the > > > list is great. > > > > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from home, or > > > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at alternatives, and > > > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > > > | > > > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > > > |-- > > > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > > > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of VACList Digest V3 #73 > **************************** > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:39:30 -0800 From: Joann Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] Double Bed The queen size mattress is on plywood base - firmed it up - it had been directly on the wood slats, no springs needed. The twin beds are on the slats - the span is short enough to provide good support. Works fine - it took us a while to believe it. Jo Ann > Do the latex mattresses require a foundation, or box spring? > How do they compare to the memory foams or tempur-pedic? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:22:34 -0600 From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #73 replacement axle and other stuff Andy is going to be doing about $10K worth of work on my trailer either late this year or early next year. Just have to get to the time where I don't need the trailer for 2 or 3 months. Lefty Frizzell http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Taylor Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 4:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jim Taylor Subject: [VACList] Re: VACList Digest V3 #73 replacement axle and other stuff Hello Andy, Sure glad you have gained enough time to post on the list again. Wisdom comes at an expense regardless of the topic. Your help on all of my restoration projects has sure made my fun projects fun and not caused alot of added expense to correct trial and error mistakes. I sure hope when I need new axles for my 73 you are still stocking them. I dont know much but I am sure I dont have the smarts to modify axles and my airstream to give me a dependable safe modification I will be comfortable dragging down the hiway at 65 miles an hour. Please keep sharing your expertise with those of us who appreciate it. Jim Taylor WBCCI5562 Coffeyville, Ks - ----- Original Message ----- From: "VACList Digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:00 AM Subject: VACList Digest V3 #73 > > VACList Digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 073 > > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > Topics in Today's Digest: > > [VACList] to: RJ for photo archives > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > [VACList] Double Bed > Re: [VACList] Baseball cap was Blue Beret > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] Axle replacement > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:17:07 -0500 > From: "David Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] to: RJ for photo archives > > These are photos of a 1972 29' Airstream International > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/airstreaminternational. > > html > > > > If pictures do not come up, they are at: > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior1.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior2.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior3.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/exterior4.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/frontsofa.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/paneltambours.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/fulltable.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/halftable.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/tvarea.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/kitchencounters.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/kitchencounter2.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/4burnerstove.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/cabinetsdometic.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicdoor.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicfreezer.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/dometicshelves.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroomsofa.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroombed.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bedroomdrawers.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/closetcloseup.jpg > > > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/showerrack.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bathcounter.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/bathsink.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/storagecounter.jpg > > > > http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/fasteddies/tolietstorage.jpg > > > > http://www.theshadydell.com/about.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:31:04 -0600 > From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there > are quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though overall the list is great. > > > _DAVID > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from home, > |or > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at alternatives, > |and > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > | > > |Gerald J. > > |-- > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer. > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > | > > |--------------------------------------------------------------------- > |- > > |When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original > |text > > | > > |To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > |http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > | > > | > > <center>=========================================================== > > </center> > > <center>David R. Warner, Jr. > > 19507 485th Lane > > McGregor, Minnesota 55760 > > Phone 218-426-3900 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > </center> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:33:31 -0600 > From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > How are the additional batteries wired into the system so that they > are charged along with the original battery and feed the system in parallel with the original battery? > > > _DAVID > > > At 02:03 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > |Bobby, > > |I was doing some work on some prototype electric scooters last year > |for a > > |client. We tried a variety of batteries in these vehicles and > |discovered > > |that the optima yellow caps worked the best. They will take a lot of abuse. > > |One of the nice things about them is that they can't be spilled. You > |can > > |orient them any way you like and they work great. You can even punch > |a hole > > |through them and they won't leak. I've installed three of them under > |one of > > |the bunks on my 59 Ambassador International and they haven't given me > |a bit > > |of grief. If you've got the money, go for it. You won't regret it. > |The > > |original battery on my trailer is located in an aluminum box riveted > |onto > > |the front of the trailer. Over the years acid has spilled, leaked and spit > > |all around this area and the aluminum requires a lot of work to look good. > > |This box will be a tool box by spring and I will be glad to get rid > |of the > > |low amp hour tractor battery that doesn't cut it. > > |Hope this helps you out. > > |PS I also installed two of them in my 87 Suburban 6.2 liter Diesel > |with a > > |Banks "Sidewinder" Turbo. No problems starting it either. > > |Colin Hyde > > |----- Original Message ----- > > |From: <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > |To: <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > |Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:27 PM > > |Subject: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > | > > | > > |> Hey. Got another dead battery, want hold a charge for long, > |> and I'm > > |getting tired of it not lasting at least till the free replacement > |time is > > |up. That's actually a good thing in that it saves me money, but waste > |my > > |time by having to baby a weak battery. I went to a Battery Source > |store > > |yesterday and was checking out the Optima Battery. This is a GEL type > > |battery supposed to be like indestructable and ventless. Has anyone > |used it > > |or experienced one of these? I would like some feed back before I pay > > |$150.00 for a battery. Makes the hassle with the $80.00 RV battery > |seem > > |bearable when you consider the price difference, but hassle free > |RVing is > > |priceless. > > |> Thanks > > |> Bobby > > | > > | > > | > > |--------------------------------------------------------------------- > |- > > |When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original > |text > > | > > |To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > |http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > | > > | > > <center>=========================================================== > > </center> > > <center>David R. Warner, Jr. > > 19507 485th Lane > > McGregor, Minnesota 55760 > > Phone 218-426-3900 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > </center> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:07:16 -0700 > From: "Randy Unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Optima (GEL) Battery > > I noted that Costco in the Denver area carries both the red and yellow > top Optima batteries. The yellow is $150. With an Executive Membership > and free > Costco Rebate American Express card, one can collect 3.5% off this for > a net > of $145. > I have a yellow top in my Overlander and plan to add another plus one > for my > Sovereign, courtesy of Amex rebates due this month. > Randy Unter > '66 Overlander > '73 Sovereign > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:20:23 -0700 > From: "Randy Unter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [VACList] Double Bed > > I replaced the twin foam mattresses in My Overlander with custom 4" > inner spring mattresses, and the front couch/bed with three layer foam > (soft on the outside, firm in the center). Both versions are immensely > comfortable, but they weren't cheap-$1000 for all.. In fact, I tried > out the beds in a new Safari and "hit bottom" just moving around. The > new technology in mattresses is far superior to the old Latex > mattesses used by Airstream, and > what goes into the cheaper line of A/S today. > Randy Unter > '66 Overlander > '73 Sovereign > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:00:39 -0500 > From: "Lewis A. Lindner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Baseball cap was Blue Beret > > 1/12/2003 4:10:06 PM, Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I think she could use our > >prayers , she has been in mine lately . > > Thank you, Chris. I think we all have a warm spot in our hearts for Pearl. Be assured > she will be in our prayers. > > -- Lew #4239 > > '72 Safari > bicycle > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:54:09 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > David. > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in the absence > of doing something constructive. > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to provide > a part > forever. > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some people. > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would no longer > be available. > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be > it. We > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as well. > Most owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those > parts still > available. > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other > brands. When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, > fitting and trial and error, they quite well wish that they took the > simple route. Additionally, when they find the possible frame and > shell damaged that quite > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the frame > and shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are > reasons why > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty trailers. They > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period of time, > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To assume > that a > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a > better product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when > they need a new > light fixture, and must make changes. > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not > replaced their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage > of accusations and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate > their own agenda. > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the > gamble with me. > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all > kinds of > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And > while we are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, > except from Airstream. > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > That "IS" the American way. > > Andy > inlandrv.com > airstreamparts.com > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems there > > are quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though > > overall the list is great. > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from > > |home, or > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at > > |alternatives, and > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > | > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > |-- > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical > > |engineer. > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:07:44 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] Axle replacement > > Good luck on your axle swap. Hope you take real good notes so you can share them with us. > Bobby > > > > From: "Dick Parins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2003/01/12 Sun PM 06:22:30 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [VACList] Axle replacement > > > > Joy wrote: > > This means detuning a standard 3500#s axle to the > > weight > > needed for the trailer. > > ---- > > Does this mean the spring rate of a Dexter axle can be adjusted > > below the stated specification? If yes can this be done after installation or is this something you must have done at the factory when the axle is built? > > > > With regard to Paul's "out of the box" philosophy: I agree with > > respect to many things, for example automobile repair and maintenance is something I buy. To me there are two differences in the case of my Vintage Airstream. First I am doing this as a project. If the only challenge was to pay someone enough money to get what I want I'd be way further ahead to buy someone else's completed project. Less importantly but still significant to me is the fact that I cannot comparison shop for an out of the box solution to the axle question. I'm not a hardcore bargain hunter but it troubles me that Inland RV has a monopoly in this case. I'm not making a judgment regarding the value of their inside information. I just think a little competition is a good thing. So lacking that I am going to see if, with a lot of help from the list, I can save about 50%. Wish me luck! > > > > Thanks for the info Joy. > > > > Dick > > '62 Bambi > > -- __________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > Meet Singles > > http://corp.mail.com/lavalife > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:10:35 -0500 > From: "T Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Andy, > > Great post and a B I G thanks for being there for owners of older Airstream > trailers like me for instance! > > Please don't let anyone sell your business short, you are doing a > great job > for the rest of us that don't care to nor can afford to re-invent the wheel. > Personally I could care less about anyone re-engineering their own personal > setup, I wish them the best. However, to lambast you and your > business for > being ahead of the curve is not a nice thing to do to say the least. > > I bet we will never hear from those who struggle to re-invent their wheels. > But I can almost guarantee you that we will forever be hearing from > those who'd complain if they were hung with new rope! > > I would like to hear more success stories from people who have found > your service and business exactly what the doctor ordered. And no, > Gerald is not > the 'Dr' I'm referring to here. ;) > > Keep up the great work, Andy! > > Tom Meeker > WBCCI 5303 > 1969 29' Airstream International Ambassador > 1995 34' Airstream Classic Excella FK > 2001 Ford Excursion 4x4 PSD 3:73 > 1990 Ford Bronco Eddie Bauer 4x4 5.8-liter > I could go on but what's the use? ;) > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in > > the > absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to > > provide a > part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some > > people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would > > no > longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that > Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be > > it. > We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as > > well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those > > parts > still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged > > that > quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the > > frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are > > reasons > why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be > interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty > > trailers. > They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period > > of > time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To > > assume that > a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a > miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a > > better product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when > > they need a > new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own > > agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds > of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And > > while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:29:43 -0800 > From: "Tuna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > I may have (inadvertently) set events in motion a year or so ago when > i contacted Henschen directly to order a DuraFlex axle for my '48 Trailwind renovation. I spoke with a salesperson who was very helpful, and indeed, he contacted Airstream to find out if there were any restrictions or problems with supplying an axle for an obsolete Airstream design (the torsion-bar axles didn't exist in 1948). Henschen was very helpful, and sold me a 3500lb-rated axle complete with electric brakes,spring shocks, and the particular bolt-pattern backing-plates i needed; delivered to my local yellow freight office for an extremely reasonable price. > > Some time after this, Henschen entered into an agreement with > Airstream, and i believe that the terms of that agreement does not allow Henschen to do what they did for me, anymore. > > If one wishes to replace the original equipment Henschen axle on their Airstream, they now must either: > a) pay somewhat more than i did, and get a direct replacement through > an Airstream dealer > or > b) try to determine the specs themselves, and either buy a Henschen or other torsion-bar axle either directly from the manufacturer, or through a generic trailer parts supplier for less money. > > The crucial difference (as i see it), is whether the buyer feels > confident in his/her ability to 'spec' their new axle; or if they just want to get the 'correct' axle using Airstream's specs, and pay substantially more for Airstream's (and their authorized repair people) expertise. > > Tuna > reno, nv, usa > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:33:11 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Ok now. Let's drop the jabs please. > I don't need a bunch of this on my mail box. > Thanks > Bobby > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2003/01/13 Mon PM 05:54:09 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in > > the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to > > provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some > > people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would > > no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be > > it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as > > well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those > > parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged > > that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the > > frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are > > reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty > > trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period > > of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To > > assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a > > better product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when > > they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own > > agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And > > while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems > > > there are > > > quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though > > > overall the > > > list is great. > > > > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from > > > |home, or > > > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at > > > |alternatives, and > > > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > > > | > > > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > > > |-- > > > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical > > > |engineer. > > > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:20:54 -0500 > From: jrdorsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Andy, > What you have here is a PR problem. What happened is that you were to > quick to leap into the breach on the axles. > > This is what you should do the next time a vendor wants to discontinue > a vital product. Instead of stepping in right away so the supply is > not interrupted, let them make the announcement that will no longer be > supplying axles (or whatever) at all. People will get up in arms, > write protest letters, beg and plead with them etc. > > Then after a few weeks you step in and announce that you have talked > them into continuing to supply the (whatever part) but they refuse to > be a retailer, and will only sell through authorized retailers, and > you are the first authorized retailer. > > You will be a hero instead of a villain, in the resulting celebration > no one will notice that you are the only authorized retailer. If they > tell them that no one else is interested in investing the time, money > and research to be an authorized retailer. > > See the facts are exactly the same, only the IMPLEMENTATION is > different. I've learned one thing about America and that's that > APPEARANCE is more important that REALITY. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in > > the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to > > provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some > > people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would > > no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be > > it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as > > well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those > > parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged > > that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the > > frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are > > reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty > > trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period > > of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To > > assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a > > better product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when > > they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own > > agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And > > while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > - -- > John Dorsey > Wauchula FL > http://www.strato.net/~jrdorsey > '49 3800 Chevy Panel > '52 640 GMC Firetruck > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 7:34:45 -0500 > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > Hey, Andy, welcome back. I wondered if you were still on the list as I hadn't heard from you in quite a while. I guessed you must have been busy finding more replacement parts for our old vintage Airstreams. What's new? > > Jim Greene > '68 Tradewind > > - ------------------------------------ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2003/01/13 Mon PM 05:54:09 EST > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [VACList] axle replacement/out of the box > > > > David. > > Perhaps it gives a person something to do, someone to pick on, in > > the absence > > of doing something constructive. > > But, more importantly, Airstream or Henschen does not have to > > provide a part > > forever. > > It's that "FOREVER" that seems to escape the thinking of some > > people. > > > > Consideration was being given, to the fact that replacements would > > no longer > > be available. > > > > We stepped up to the plate, made the investment, to see to it that Henschen > > axles would continue to be available for the older trailers. > > > > As a result, some have the idea that it has become a monopoly. So be > > it. We > > have the molds for many of the older Airstream plastic parts as > > well. Most > > owners, convey "thanks" for having enough foresight to have those > > parts still > > available. > > > > I have not heard one "cry" from anyone about that. > > > > Let those that want to depart from the proper axle, go on to other brands. > > When they get through all the design, redesign, cutting, fitting and trial > > and error, they quite well wish that they took the simple route. > > Additionally, when they find the possible frame and shell damaged > > that quite > > well may occur, because of providing a different "ride" for the > > frame and > > shell, they might wish they went the simple way again. There are > > reasons why > > Airstream used the Henschen axle in their design, and it will be interesting > > to see how many trailers will be damaged, by changing "the ride." > > > > There is concern that new Henschen axles don't fit the sixty > > trailers. They > > do fit, but since improvements were made to the axle over a period > > of time, > > for greater performance, some changes will have to be made. To > > assume that a > > 2003 axle will fit a 60's trailer, with no changes, is asking for a miracle. > > Brackets, frame extensions may have to be made. Why? To put on a > > better product, which is upgrading. I don't hear them complain when > > they need a new > > light fixture, and must make changes. > > It is that fact, that seems to bother those who usually have not replaced > > their axles, but wish to compound the issue, with a barrage of accusations > > and stories, mostly to inflate their ego's or elevate their own > > agenda. > > > > I have yet to hear from anyone, who wished to step in and take the gamble > > with me. > > > > Why don't we start the "plasticoat" issue all over again. Gosh, all kinds of > > faults will be kicked around about that one. But I don't hear anyone > > complain, that "plasticoat" is only available from Airstream. And > > while we > > are at it, you can't get an Airstream from anyone, ever, except from > > Airstream. > > > > I don't call that a monopoly, I call that smart business. > > > > That "IS" the American way. > > > > Andy > > inlandrv.com > > airstreamparts.com > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > Just wondering who put a burr under Gerald's saddle. It seems > > > there are > > > quite a number of these kind of mesages on this list, though > > > overall the > > > list is great. > > > > > > > > > _DAVID > > > > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 1/11/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > |Sometimes when faced with a monopolistic vendor 2000 miles from > > > |home, or > > > > > > |when not being paid every hour, one desires to look at > > > |alternatives, and > > > > > > |to fully understand those alternatives. > > > > > > | > > > > > > |Gerald J. > > > > > > |-- > > > > > > |Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical > > > |engineer. > > > > > > |Reproduction by permission only. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of VACList Digest V3 #73 > **************************** > > > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text > > To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:17:56 -0800 From: Joann Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] pressure water tank Scott: I apologize for not getting back to you but it's been busy here - - my tank is tiny; 12" x 10" x 24". Maybe 7 gallons. Jo Ann On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Scott Scheuermann wrote: > Joann, > > The tank I need to replace measures approx 55 inches long with a > diameter of > about 10.5 inches. Is your tank anywhere near this size? > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:58:51 -0700 From: "gshippen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] moderation Scott and others, With all do respect to our moderators it seems like from time to time we have had two or three topics going at times maybe more. Frankly I find several topics most interesting rather than riding one topic on and on. However I do not entirely understand the appropriate length of time a given topic should go on for and exactly when is a topic may move to "topic" status. Please enlighten me? Thank you, Gerald Shippen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: [VACList] moderation > There are two moderation items that I must publically speak up on. > > First, if you notice an off topic post that you feel the need to respond to, > respond to it OFF-LIST! ---I (and the other moderators) don't care that you > were ONLY responding. What you just did was to increase the amount of off > topic posts. > > Second, Drop the personal attacks. In the future anyone that attacks another > list member (or another list member's business practices) will be dropped > from the list. NO WARNINGS, NO EXCEPTIONS. > > To the other 99% of the list members. Thank you for abiding by the > guidelines, especially over the Christmas season. The monitors all > appreciated that gift. > > Monitor Scott > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:49:56 -0800 From: "JimW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [VACList] moderation Hi All, I guess the banning means me at the moment. I just have to say something. I have felt that InlandRV goes beyond what is right for a forum. He hits other forums too. I'm not suggesting that he is not knowledgeable, his interest is totally sales. Inland RV does not have to pick on the list members here. I find it out of the ordinary from every forum I have ever been on. How you can let him spam your hard work is beyond me. I have only been here a couple of months. Thank you all for your wonderful help forum. I assume I will be gone. JimW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: [VACList] moderation > There are two moderation items that I must publically speak up on. > > First, if you notice an off topic post that you feel the need to respond to, > respond to it OFF-LIST! ---I (and the other moderators) don't care that you > were ONLY responding. What you just did was to increase the amount of off > topic posts. > > Second, Drop the personal attacks. In the future anyone that attacks another > list member (or another list member's business practices) will be dropped > from the list. NO WARNINGS, NO EXCEPTIONS. > > To the other 99% of the list members. Thank you for abiding by the > guidelines, especially over the Christmas season. The monitors all > appreciated that gift. > > Monitor Scott > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text > > To unsubscribe or change to an digest format, please go to > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html > ------------------------------ End of VACList Digest V3 #74 **************************** When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary Digest text To unsubscribe or change to an e-mail format, please go to http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
