This is the big issue and I agree with everything that has been said so far.
This was always going to be the dark side of digital—controlled access that
made the First Sale Doctrine moot. We will need to find a solution that will
work for all libraries—K-12, academic, public, special.
Physical copies are still the gold standard but obviously not the future. If
Netflix and Amazon balk at creating library-friendly platforms, I wonder
whether an option of sublicensing to existing platforms (Alexander Street
Press, Films on Demand, hoopla, Kanopy, etc.) would be a viable possibility?
Although as Mat from Passion River has just pointed out, Netflix and Amazon may
not necessarily hold various rights to titles.
We do need to be more vocal—letters, petitions, etc. And NMM 2017 sounds like a
great venue for hashing out details.
Best,
Randy
Randy Pitman
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Video Librarian
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From: Brian W Boling
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:10 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
EducationalAvailability
I agree that the issue of digital-only copies is becoming a critical one for
libraries, both for us video folks and in music librarianship.
At the VRT Business meeting in Orlando, we learned that a high-level ALA group
tasked with meeting with streaming content providers was on hold, but would
likely gain traction again during the ALA Presidency of Jim Neal. This
high-level group was a subcommittee of the same group that negotiated e-book
licensing terms with the Big Six--or is it now down to Five?--publishers. I'd
volunteered to continue work on this topic in the interim, as did several
others, but I have not heard additional information or requests for help. Has
anyone else who volunteered for this ad hoc VRT committee been contacted?
I like the ideas that have been discussed in this thread and would be glad to
participate in them further. Still, going on the "strength in numbers"
principle, it might make sense to also bring in support from the Music
Libraries Association, big ALA (especially their Office of Information and
Technology Policy), and other groups besides VRT/NMM that I'm be forgetting.
For instance, don't libraries that are under-represented on Videolib (K-12, for
instance) also face this issue?
I'm glad to see some constructive suggestions for moving forward on this issue!
Brian
Brian Boling
Past-chair, Video Round Table
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office hours
Brian Boling
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office hours
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, meredith miller
<meredithlynnemil...@gmail.com> wrote:
I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is another
potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think there is a
general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market and the value
that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why we are important
is crucial.
I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy
first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
Meredith
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht <albre...@wabash.edu> wrote:
I think these are genius ideas from Meghann. I especially like the idea of
a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with many
signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
So who’s the drafter? ;)
Susan Albrecht
Graduate Fellowship Advisor
Library Media Acquisitions Manager
Wabash College Lilly Library
765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
765-361-6295 fax
albre...@wabash.edu
Twitter: @Wab_Fellowships
www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
Availability
I like the idea of a petition. Who would we target? Amazon (Prime) and
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now. (But there are
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
stream.)
Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of
the right folks?
Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter
or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually
contacting distributors. Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational
distribution. "You might be interested to know that there are many who are
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and
educational licenses. Please see the attached letter."
-- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.Associate LibrarianCoordinator, Film & Video
CollectionMorris Library, University of Delaware181 S. College Ave.Newark, DE
19717(302) 831-1475https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,
I’m happy to add my voice. Is there a group letter writing option?
Change.org post? Blog post option? I may be able to help with the tech for
this.
Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
topic. Why not keep it rolling?
Regards,
Laura
Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
Availability
Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
Availability
Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!! This is exciting! Although,
it doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection,
or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may
not have a Netflix account. I was just having a conversation about this (films
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix
film Audrie and Daisy. It went as follows:
Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware
Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie
& Daisy soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our
Library's collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for
students to watch for research. Are there any plans to make Audrie & Daisy
available for purchase on DVD soon, or via some other mechanism that allows
institutional access? I've personally watched the film via my own Netflix
account, and I know it would be a great resource for our faculty and students.
Thank you!"
Carla @ Filmsprout: "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled to
hear that the Library is interested in the film. I'm so sorry, but currently
there aren't plans to make the film available for institutional purchase
because the film is already available for individual and private classroom use
via the Netflix service. However, I'd be glad to let you know if anything
changes!"
Me: "Institutions are not able to subscribe to Netflix, so unfortunately
we can't offer private classroom use via the Netflix service. I hope that this
may change in the near future, as we've been unable to provide equitable access
to some excellent programming due to the models put forth by Amazon Prime,
Netflix, etc. Please do let me know if anything should change with 'Audrie &
Daisy'."
Carla: "Thank you for your note, and I hear you. I've shared your
feedback with my team, and I will absolutely let you know if anything changes
around institutional licensing for the film."
Several of us (myself, Lorraine, and a few others who may or may not be
on VideoLib?) who attended National Media Market in October discussed this very
thing over lunch one afternoon -- the need to advocate and raise awareness
amongst the producers of films that fit into this growing category. Towards
that end, I'd encourage everyone to take the extra time to contact producers of
films like 13th, Audrie & Daisy, Transparent, etc. when your students /
instructors request them to help the producers understand the need for an
educational distribution model that would allow us to provide access to these
important films. Clearly, Ms. DuVernay and the Filmsprout folks intend for
these documentaries to be widely seen and utilized in educational settings --
they need to hear from us that we share that mission and need options to pay
them for / license their content.
Best,
-- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.Associate LibrarianCoordinator, Film & Video
CollectionMorris Library, University of Delaware181 S. College Ave.Newark, DE
19717(302) 831-1475https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
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VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
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