At 09:41 pm 15-01-05 -0500, you wrote:
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>From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:35 PM
>Subject: Re: WHAT'S NEW Friday, January 14, 2005
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>> revtec at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> > I believe in variation and natural selection within the constraints that
>we
>> > see it happen.
>> >
>> > I am quite content to have someone  label biblical creation
>> > as also a theory since no one seems able to prove that scientificly
>either.
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>> >
>> > Biblical creation requires almost as much faith as evolution.
>> >
>> > Darwin never touched the question of origin.  He left that extrapolation
>> > entirely to our imaginations!
>> >
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>> Agreed, but what do you mean by the "question of origin"?
>>
>> Darwin did touch on the ancestry of man and many other animals.
>> In particular he argued man and ape evolved from a common ancestor.
>> Hence the title of his work -- The Origin of Species.
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>Darwin quit at postulating common ancestry without addressing the origin of
>life in its most basic form.  In a previous thread, we hit on the
>difficulties of having matter mixtures within the universe self oganizing to
>the fantastic degree of forming a living cell, which implies the necessity
>of intelligent design input to make it happen.
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>At another level we have what is termed the Cambrian explosion where a
>myriad of strange creatures come into existance at once with no trace of
>ancestors in the underlying rock strata.  This is one of the great
>difficulties Darwin wrestled with.  He tries to explain this problem away,
>but it sure resembles an act of creation to me.
>
>And, then you have the career ending level of origin, where God told Moses
>how he did it and Moses wrote it down as the first chapters of Genesis.
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>> If you want to be considered a scientist today, and you imagine
>> a different origin of man, you dare not express it or you will be
>> branded a simpleton or a quack.
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>Are you saying that the scientific establishment allows a scientist to
>attend church so long as he/she does not believe the first chapters of the
>Bible?  I'm thankful that I am not beholden to the scientific community.
>They don't sign my pay check and they never will.
>
>If the first part of the Bible is a fairy tale, then, how far into it does
>the truth start?  If the first part is a lie, then, the rest can't be
>trusted either.  The whole thing should be dumped in the trash and one
>should sleep in on a Sunday morning.  The Bible is either the word of God or
>it isn't.  It's all or nothing for me.  Anything else is hypocritical.
>
>My bottom line is that the Bible makes more sense to me than Darwinism.
>
>Jeff
>
>

Well said Jeff.  8-)

Cheers

Grimer

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