Horace, > Good grief, Jones, you act like this is new information! Not that I disagree with it, but I do feel compelled to say the source (an anti-gas pipeline group in Georgia) hardly appears more credible than the Sierra Club.
Some of the information has been around for years but was not very well-substantiated before. The new tie-in to the mass extinction is what is most surprising, because there is very good proof emerging on many fronts of what happened then. My recent inspiration is a new book by Michael Benton called "When Life Nearly Died." I can't recommend the book to a general audience as it is dense and technical, but it does makes the case very strongly, if you can stick with it. Besides there are many newbies here on vortex who don't remember old posts and don't think it worth the effort to look in the archives for any reason. > As for the information not being new, and if you don't care about the credibility of the source, I've been arguing the same line for years, both here and on sci.physics.fusion. But Horace ... you are way ahead of your time, as are many of the vortexians (the "other" Jones notwithstanding) , and now it think public opinion is changing from a trickle in favor of more appreciation for this monstrous risk we are facing to more like a steady flow. The time to do something is now. Don't give up trying to hammer it in, please, even if it is "old hat" to you - after all you live on the fringe of the danger zone, and will be among the first to go ;-( as it were. A lot is at stake. That hasn't changed, but the point is that this has started to transcend politics and will continue to do so. > Below, replete with my many spelling errors, is part of one of the debates I had with Mitchell Jones 6 years ago (gee, whatever happened to him?) Well Jones, when you are an iconoclastic member of the free energy lunatic fringe I guess you just lose all credibility. 8^) Not exactly, it just takes a while for the rest of the world to catch-up, and yes there is some contrary evidence being flaunted about by the oil-lobby. But follow the dollar as to their credibility. I didn't really buy into this CO2 thing whole-heartedly until reading Benton's book and the Baltimore Sun article, at the urging of Mark Goldes, who has also been waving his arms in warning for years, with nobody listening - like you have. Yes, it's like being the court jester in olden days to the rest of the science establishment. You can say things on vortex that every pompous scientist from A-to-Zimmerman can easily ignore, and will never read anyway - but sometimes it registers, if only in the sense of an emeging meme. I suspect the court jester in olden times was ultimately more influential in the end than all the "courtiers" and "chamberlains" and bishops put together ... seems like I remember one king trying to have his jester buried in Westminster Abbey or some such affront to the rest of English nobility. We won't get that far with our iconoclastic rhetoric, but with enough jesters on one end of the see-saw, occasionally that will push the rest of mediocrity to the "tipping point," after which the nobility has no choice but to follow, or else risk "loosing their heads" les-Miz style. Jones
