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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves -----Original Message----- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... You recall me being shocked by that darned vhf transmitter? Actually it was a burn, but it proved that I have earned my metal as an experienced RF power engineer. Most of the guys that I know who have actual experience have been burned on at least one occasion. Have you ever been RF burned? Have you ever designed a transmitter? Have you ever put a system into operation? What are your expert qualifications? If you can not answer most of these in a positive manner then you should be trying to learn from those that have. There is no crime in playing with statistics as long as no damage is done to an important industry by someone who has limited knowledge. We are here to help you keep grounded in true theory as long as you are willing to listen my friend. You really should start by understanding how pulse modulation of an RF carrier functions. There is no radiation of the pulse repetition frequency of any measurable magnitude. The fact that the radar antenna system can not radiate efficiently at that frequency should be sufficient to settle that question. Is that not obvious? Dave -----Original Message----- From: ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... Last time I argued with you about this you told me you got shocked by an RF antenna You proved my point. I loved radio, but I like Pandora better and that comes through a cable (at least to my house :)) Stewart On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:41 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Not really Stewart. I have worked on radios and theory for many years and I understand it quite well. You are missing the point about the pulse repetition rate and its relationship to the radiated signal. The low frequencies are not radiated by a very band limited high frequency RF transmission system. That is trivial and anyone with RF experience understands it. You are not well informed about how these systems operate and are making assumptions that do not exist. Have you spent many years designing radios or putting systems into operation? You should let all the vortex readers know about your background in RF transmitters so that they can judge the accuracy of your predictions. I am happy to discuss my career in that field. Much of the modern world depends upon RF communications and I am quite proud of the work I have done in that area. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l < vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... No, I have concentrated on pulsed radars, which pulse at 0-1000 Hz, considered very low frequencies. Dave you are generalizing and have done no research yourself. Here is some: http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/19/and-you-thought-the-bp-oil-spill-was-bad/ On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: Of course if you limit your impact to those transmitters that communicate with submarines then these very low frequency signals do travel into the deeper water. But, so far it appears that you have placed all type of radars, etc. into the same category, which is not reasonable. From what I read in the news there are ocean dead zones in many locations that have little or nothing at all to do with RF transmissions. Many reefs are dying where no transmitters are located nearby to contribute to the problem. The concern about warming waters is a major one that is often used to explain the dying and that is more likely than high frequency RF transmissions. Dave -----Original Message----- From: James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 10:07 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying... Thanks for the numbers. This should be relatively straight forward to test: Set up two salt water aquariums supporting comparable coral populations. Run them for a year or so to see they are stable. Then subject one of them to low frequency EM radiation. PS: What I mean contraction in terms is that "pulse" implies high frequency components and, indeed, is usually illustrated by time differential on a square wave to filter out the low frequency components. However, your point is well taken -- a short duration transmission of a high power low frequency signal will penetrate salt water -- with a very drastic reduction in power with depth, as your numbers show. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote: Low frequency pulse. Also, we are not communicating with the marine life and coral reef, the evidence is mounting that 2 terrawatts of effective isotropic radiated power (EIRP) in a local area scattered by the overhead atmosphere is mildly shocking the marine life through electromagnetic induction and conduction through the salt water near the surface as it "grounds out" into the ocean. You can't fool mother nature sort of thing. Here is a model of induced electrical currents in seawater surface around just one ship's antennas. Now imagine 27 high power coastal based radars/antennas and 45 warship radars/antennas in one area. http://darkmattersalot.com/2015/05/14/how-cousteau-and-noaa-killed-the-reef/ Effects of Electrical Current* on the Body [3] Current Reaction 1 milliamp Just a faint tingle. 5 milliamps Slight shock felt. Disturbing, but not painful. Most people can “let go.” However, strong involuntary movements can cause injuries. 6-25 milliamps (women)† 9-30 milliamps (men) Painful shock. Muscular control is lost. This is the range where “freezing currents” start. It may not be possible to “let go.” 50-150 milliamps Extremely painful shock, respiratory arrest (breathing stops), severe muscle contractions. Flexor muscles may cause holding on; extensor muscles may cause intense pushing away. Death is possible. 1,000-4,300 milliamps (1-4.3 amps) Ventricular fibrillation (heart pumping action not rhythmic) occurs. Muscles contract; nerve damage occurs. Death is likely. 10,000 milliamps (10 amps) Cardiac arrest and severe burns occur. Death is probable. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:43 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: Low pulsed frequency is a contradiction in terms. On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote: Except low pulsed frequencies On Tuesday, July 7, 2015, James Bowery < jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:42 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some others may have an interest… Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs… ... Time to break out the tin-foil hats??? No need. Salt water shields against EM penetration.
