Jed,
"None of the used units produced any heat, period. If the unused
ones could produce heat, WHY DIDN'T ROSSI INSTALL THEM? You need to
answer that question, not me."
Here is a photo of the ~80 original design reactors in the 1 MW plant
test. as backup for the four 250 kW reactors.
http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/ecat-MW1-USA-team-at-working.jpg
They were not used in the test. Why would Rossi build 2 MW capacity if
he didn't intend to produce any heat at all?
It looks like you got all your information from IH and none from Rossi.
We have to wait for the court case to find out who is telling the truth.
"None of that matters to me. I am sure the pressure was not 0.0 bar."
If the steam was condensed at the customer's plant this would result in
negative pressure there.
"Suppose the 80 units that were not installed actually worked. In
that case, if he had installed them, installed proper calorimetric
instruments, and showed IH how to make them, IH would have paid him $90
million. There would be no lawsuit. Why would he not do that? Why would
he launch an expensive lawsuit if he had working reactors sitting there
unused? That makes no sense, and I do not believe it for one second. I
am amazed that you believe it. Why would Rossi not install working
reactors when he would be paid $90 million to do it?!???"
I can think of several possibilities. IH may not have had $90 million
to pay him. IH may have thought they had enough information that they
didn't need Rossi anymore.
IH was misled by Murray who got it wrong. They were caught flat footed
by Rossi's immediate law suit.
On 12/5/2016 11:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I find it strange that you didn't know there were 2 MW of reactors
in the plant.
I do not know such details at all. The only thing I know about is the
sample data. I immediately saw the problems in that data such as the
pressure of 0.0 bar. The data is obviously fake, and physically
impossible. The problems I saw were all described in Exhibit 5, along
with some other problems I did not know about. So, read that Exhibit,
and you will know everything I know. That is my only basis for saying
the experiment did not produce heat, and it was fraud. (If you
disagree then I think you do not understand machinery.)
I thought that was common knowledge.. The first set of the older
design were what you saw in the photo montage that Rossi
provided. (Nothing to do with Lugano - low temperature units)
The second set of four 250 kW units were right at the end.
None of that matters to me. I am sure the pressure was not 0.0 bar. I
am sure that flow meter was the wrong kind. I am sure these problems
and the others described in Exhibit 5 preclude any possibility of
excess heat and they prove it was fraud. The reactors themselves play
no role in this evaluation.
It is pretty weak to say that they all didn't work without any
evidence of that.
The evidence is all in the calorimetry! It makes no difference what
reactors were installed. The calorimetry shows they did not work. They
can be considered a black box. In fact, they _have to be_ considered a
black box, or the test method is invalid.
That Rossi didn't attempt to use them is fairly strong evidence
he was satisfied with the four 250 kW units, no matter what you
have been told by IH.
His satisfaction is irrelevant. His data and the photos of his ceiling
proves that his claims are fraud.
Do you really think he would build about 80 units for fun and
not use them if needed?
Suppose the 80 units that were not installed actually worked. In that
case, if he had installed them, installed proper calorimetric
instruments, and showed IH how to make them, IH would have paid him
$90 million. There would be no lawsuit. Why would he not do that? Why
would he launch an expensive lawsuit if he had working reactors
sitting there unused? That makes no sense, and I do not believe it for
one second. I am amazed that you believe it. Why would Rossi not
install working reactors when he would be paid $90 million to do it?!???
One of the design of these unused units was what passed the
initial test.
None of the used units produced any heat, period. If the unused ones
could produce heat, WHY DIDN'T ROSSI INSTALL THEM? You need to answer
that question, not me.
IH was bleating about how he used a different design for the
test and tried to make out that disqualified it, if you recall.
Nonsense. The only thing they said, and I said, was the the test
failed to show any excess heat, and many of the numbers were obviously
fake. They don't care about the design, as long as it works. I have
spent a lot of time talking to them about calorimetry. I have not
talked at all about their business or the lawsuit, and I did not ask
anything about the reactors themselves. As I said, with this
calorimetry the reactor as a whole is a single black box. Any design
or configuration that produces excess heat can measured the same as
any other design. If Rossi had mixed in five different reactor types
that all worked, or three that worked and two that did not, I would
see no indication of that. Nothing in the calorimetry or the data I
saw would show that. Nothing in Exhibit 5 would show it. It would only
show X power going in and Y heat coming out of the system as a whole.
It is possible to set up calorimetry separately for each reactor, but
I did not see any data from that kind of configuration.
- Jed
