Hi Peter, As with Scott I agree with most of what you said to the extent that you pursued it but disagree with your assumption that I have any interest in a moving plate to derive energy or in Scott's pursuit of a mirror that can absorb energy and then reradiate it unequally in a spatial vector to provide thrust. I do believe this field may lead to a space drive system but I don't believe Casimir plates ALONE can produce thrust or energy, be it from the rectified mechanical energy of moving plates AND I don't believe Casimir plates ALONE can produce a vectored "thrust" as Scott suggested in his VTEC paper. My position requires an unbalanced interaction of a gas with changes in Casimir geometry - the plates only produce the environment and you still need an object to interact with said environment for any gain opportunities.
You made a good point about the energy required to "make" a plate and the additional energy required to pull them apart - The stiction forces are always going to attempt to pull the plates together and it will always take more to pull them apart but there are other opportunities.. if we are only trying to create a "permanent" cavity like leaching the aluminum out of Rayney nickel to create a tapestry of Casimir geometries then we can distribute the energy cost over the lifetime of the cavities. This goes back to what I said about creating an " environment" that enhances the probability - No one would disagree that a spaceship travelling near C or approaching an event horizon would appear to LOWER the probability of nuclear reactions from our perspective simply due to time dilation . BUT I am suggesting that the LOWER vacuum energy density we observe in a Casimir cavity is also a relativistic effect and the unit time quantum is now shorter instead of the more familiar longer wavelengths we observer from our inertial frame when viewing objects approaching C or an event horizon. My real heresy is suggesting that suppression doesn't pay the Pythagorean penalty of the V^2/C^2 relationship and instead directly effects C such that even objects with low spatial velocity can assume negative energy relative to objects outside the cavity. Which is to say we outside the cavity appear to be the Paradox twin approaching C and slowing down due to time dilation relative to the modified ratio of V^2/C^2 inside the cavity. All the above requires a gas migrating through the changing Casimir geometry in a biased manner - I don't believe in getting something for nothing and think the random motion of gas and geometry of both the gas and the cavity combine to steer the gas through the different energy densities in an asymmetrical manner - I am convinced that Casimir geometry creates a balanced segregation where the lower density focused in the cavity is balanced by a much larger shallow region outside the entire cavity where the energy density is higher - As Scott pointed out we do have documented cases of both accelerated and decelerated time dilation of different radioactive gases when absorbed into lattices containing cavities. Regards Fran On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:25:22 -0700 Peter Heckert wrote Hi Frank, I was thinking about this some time ago. I see these problems: When we make the Casimir plates then we must create two surfaces that fit exactly together. This requires energy. There are some simple possibilities: 1) We break a piece of metal and then we have two pieces that fit exactly together. Obvoiusly we need more energy to create the pieces than we can get when we put the pieces together. 2) We polish two plates, so they fit together. While polishing the plates, we must overcome the casimir force too! So we cannot get energy surplus when we put the plates together. 2) We use two plates and put them together. Then we pull both plates sidewards and we hope this consumes less energy. Now, there is no reason for this hope. This would not work with a plate capacitor, and this principle did not work for Brady's magnet motors, (Brady is in Jail now, because he sold motors but was unable to deliver, he is not in jail because the motors did not work, he is in jail because he had no motors, working or not, at all ;-) So why should this work with Casimir Plates? Best, Peter