You are having a lot of fun William. I am assuming that some of the flux from your permanent magnet is passing through the toroid. Any change in the coupled flux will generate a voltage around the S-C loop. This voltage of course would cause a current to flow through the zero ohm nature of the S-C. Here comes the interesting part that I am guessing at. There should be inductance associated with the loop of S-C material along with the zero valued resistance. Now, when a voltage is applied across a perfect inductor it acts like an ideal integrator. I would expect a current to flow within the S-C that corresponds to the ideal integration of the derivative of the flux change linkage. If you integrate a derivative, you get the original function. This is an interesting phenomenon. It looks as though you have an internal current generated that will regenerate the net flux magnitude associated with the original magnetic field. This newly generated flux field does not have to match in space the original field, but instead has to be the same integrated value over the linkage area. You would now have a nice toroidal magnetic that can be pointing in either direction depending upon the original magnetic linkage. I have been careless with the signs of the derivative functions because I am more interested in the magnitude of the effect, but it could be cleaned up with a little extra effort.
Let me suggest another interesting experiment for you to conduct. Locate a round magnet with a small gap through which your S-C material will pass. The field needs to be along the circle. You can make one out of a toroidal coil of wire that is wound tightly so that a very small amount of field escapes outside the toroid. If done well, you would have virtually no field intersecting your S-C material as it loops through the toroidal coil. I would expect for this set up to yield the same kind of effect as you initially observed with the permanent magnetic. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Wm. Scott Smith <scott...@hotmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 7:46 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? I have magnetized a torroid S-C by moving a nearby magnet away from it. (the magnet was present as it was cooling into the S-C state. I could move the magnet in a different direction and make the S-C torus into an opposite kind of magnet. I don't see how else one could induce a current in a S-C. What is strange about this is the fact that the newly induced current that is inside the super conductor is still inducing a magnetic field outside of the conductor. This is probably a quantum effect that is akin to how the strong magnetic field inside a ferrite core still acts strongly on the conducting coil that is outside of the core, even though the field itself, outside of the core is very slight. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:59:53 -0400 I think this can be broken down into two components. A transient plus a DC current would define the process. The DC part would be steady for the length of time that you make the observation. The transient current takes care of the changing part. By your definition of DC, there is no possibility of any existing. Can you think of anything that has generated DC for all time? Just a matter of definitions.... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 <bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 5:41 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? Say that initially the superconductor was brought into its SC state not in the presence of magnetic fields. At that time there are nominally no supercurrents. As you bring the SC into the presence of a magnet a supercurrent must form that previously did not exist to prevent penetration of the magnetic field into the superconductor. This is not a DC supercurrent because it has not existed in steady state for all time. Initially there will be some loss in the supercurrent because there are components that are not DC. At least that’s my understanding. I asked a guy at CERN about this in how they bring up their strong supercurrent in their superconducting electromagnets. It is not a simple process. From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? How are S-C currents not DC? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:19:59 -0400 thanks for the info -----Original Message----- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 <bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -----Original Message----- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, <fznidar...@aol.com> wrote: > A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 > years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 > mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what > you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the > atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities > in the atom, here there are below. > http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition > What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy > levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, > the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of > the photon. see below > http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10755558/the-control-of-the-natural-forces > If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 > > An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential > to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story > and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. > Frank Znidarsic > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fznidarsic <fznidar...@aol.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation > > > All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted > by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered > by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. > > No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism > accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy > levels of the atom. > A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for > quantum physics. > Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the > release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion > reaction. > Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a > dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. > I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. > > > Frank Znidarsic > >
