From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:36 PM
To: 'dlrober...@aol.com'
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Dave,
You are getting to the heart of it quickly. First there is
definitely energy present even at absolute zero gas will not become solid -
and no one will dispute that gas motion is powered by the Heisenberg
Uncertainty Principle BUT. we have always been taught that the energy is too
chaotic and on too tiny of a scale for us to organize it. Mechanization is
already at the macro scale and nature will always seek balance through the
path of least resistance which is why stiction forces are so problematic in
nano construction. nature wants the spectrum of virtual particle sizes to be
uniform such that when conductive materials are thrown together in bulk the
pieces self attract trying to close the gap between and return the spectrum
to a uniform value [vacuum energy density]. If a gap does form the energy
density is suppressed and gas atoms migrating through the gap transform from
our perspective to different fractional values- And yes you are correct that
if this proposal by Naudts is correct then it will exactly reverse upon
exiting the gap with no change in energy level. This is where the conditions
in these experiments must cause an asymmetry for there to be a net gain or
loss. Haisch and Moddel suggest a "Lamb Pinch" while I propose that the IRH
and Hydrino are actually normal hydrogen based on Naudts 2005 paper and
therefore CAN take on the molecular form and that it is this choice of
atomic and molecular bonding that provides us the opportunity to arrange an
asymmetrical path. It is my posit that h1 translates to different fractional
values freely while h2 has a covalent bond that opposes this translation.
>From our perspective the orbital appears smaller and perhaps is seen as a
nearby electron while the proton appears much smaller and displaced like the
rubber nose of a badminton birdie stretched ever more distant as the
fractional value becomes smaller. When fractional h2 forms these nearby
electrons form a hinge opposing the motive force of virtual particles on the
paired protons. If I am correct this would form a "natural" self assembled
HUP trap in that gas law motion is organized to discount the energy needed
to disassociate the molecule. I think the signal generators and other forms
of agitation described in this research are also necessary to synchronize
the rectification or the force will simply push the molecules back in a
direction that alleviates the discount.
See http://psiphen.colorado.edu/Pubs/VacEnergyExtrac_Jan10.pdf
Fran
David Roberson
Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:47:03 -0700
You are correct Fran, I am confused about the hydrino theory. I think I
understand that you imply that the hydrino can not exist outside of the
nanotube structure. If this is true then it would not be possible to
extract
energy from the beast. Whatever you borrowed must be returned very soon.
At
least that is the way I understand thermodynamics. Does that theory
actually
allow energy to be taken from the vacuum? If so, I would like to understand
that a lot better. Also, has anyone been able to extract energy this way
and
then do it again with the same hydrogen atom? I have a difficult time
understanding that principle.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mill's and Lu paper define hydrino as fractional Rydberg
Dave,
I think you have an underlying misconception. It isn't
thermal
energy that is being exploited, catalytic energy is related to Casimir
geometry
which in the case of nanotubes only occurs at openings and defects in the
nanotube as recently discovered by Peng Chen at Cornell using an AFM. This
establishes a relationship between catalytic action and change in Casimir
force
- geometry. It is a difference in vacuum energy density not temperature that
feeds the reaction so you are not exhausting a thermal reservoir. IMHO this
is
why gas is a necessary part of the equation since relative mot ion of gas to
the Casimir geometry is maintained by HUP. This is the same source of energy
that keeps gas from becoming solid at absolute zero.. hence can be referred
to
as Zero Point Energy. The similarity between skeletal catalysts and the
Casimir
geometry of nano powders also supports this relationship.
Within the context of the above relationship there can be no
hydrino without Casimir geometry, as the hydrino or IRH diffuses out of the
catalyst or nano powder it simply translates back to normal hydrogen. There
would therefore be no hydrinos floating freely in the atmosphere and it
remains an open question if di-hydrinos are even possible much less if their
covalent bond could hold the hydrino in this catalyzed state outside of the
catalyst. If Jan Naudts is correct about the hydrino / IRH being
relativistic
then one could say the hydrino only exists from a relativistic perspective
and
locally appears just like normal hydrogen. Most would say this kind of time
dilation or equivalent acceleration is impossible in the confines of a bulk
material sitting in a lab but we are conditioned to think in terms of a
Pythagorean relationship with C to solve for gamma and I think suppression
side
steps this issue. Suppression reduces energy density instead of increasing
it
and instead of equivalent acceleration it affords equivalent
de-acceleration.
Regards
Fran
