Mary: Despite the fact that you have only been following CF/LENR for a year, whereas most of the regulars on Vortex have been following it since 1989, you should at least have a clue that there are 22 years of some very revealing HISTORY behind CF/LENR, and much of it does NOT reflect well on the scientific process. You and your cohort need to take off the rose colored glasses and realize the HUMANS are doing science. With humans comes all the things that make us human, like ambition, greed, protecting your turf, jealousy, fear, envy, etc. John Bockris at Texas A&M went thru three investigations which proved he and his lab didn't do anything wrong, and yet, his OWN colleagues at TAM still tried to silence him because they feared (that's a human trait) that their college/Department would get ridiculed. Even science is filled with politics and egos. Your views are way too idealistic for the real world... Ever see that movie 'Clueless'? You want the scientific process to work right all the time... yeah, don't hold your breath... maybe in a few hundred years. -mark _____________________________________________ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Thermacore reported heat well above recombination
I should make a comment on the MIT report, mentioned by Jed ... or lack of one. Haldeman was the head of Lincoln Labs at MIT for years, which was the premiere physics Lab in the World at the time. CERN may make the claim now, but I think they are comparative bumblers. Anyway, as I understand it, Haldeman wanted to stay on after retirement as a consultant - and as a result of their deal - he could not file the complete report on Ni-H and Mills/Thermacore - due to political pressure from the Hot Fusion group, and the fact that Mallove had already exposed the "recalibration" fraud with the P&F experiment. They did not want any more negative publicity. Here is what Tom Stolper has to say about this episode in his fine book, which everyone interested in Ni-H should put at the top of their reading list. It is on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Genius-Inventor-controversy-historical-contemporary/dp /1419643045/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324085375&sr=8-2 "Haldeman's team at MIT's Lincoln Lab verified excess power production from the old [Thermacore] cells long ago, and so did Michael Jacox at the Idaho National Engineering Lab. Those labs were, and are, as reputable as one can get." "No, I never did see the replications at MIT's Lincoln Lab or at INEL, but I did speak with Haldeman and Jacox years ago, as well as another engineer at INEL. I also spoke with management at Lincoln Lab and asked for a copy of the report there but got stonewalled. At INEL, the public relations people claimed never to have heard of Mills." "Haldeman was very impressed with the performance of his final cell and recommended that further studies be made, in particular studies of the newer gas-phase cells of greater power (which have since been succeeded by the plasma cells of even greater power). Jacox was also impressed, but being more junior at INEL at the time than Haldeman was at MIT, Jacox wasn't able to get as far before his managers, like the managers at the Lincoln Lab, decided that Mills' cells were "too hot to handle" (pun intended). Where is Tom Stolper these days anyway? He used to contribute here on Vortex, and I would love to hear his take on Rossi. Jones From: Jed Rothwell Stephen A. Lawrence has been fretting about the Thermacore NASA study, which said: "However, the present data do admit efficient recombination of dissolved hydrogen-oxygen as an ordinary explanation." Stop worrying about it. They published a later study in which input was I*V and output exceeded it by a large margin, easily measured. I think that was the MIT report. I am sure Jones Beene is right and this was dropped because of politics. That is always the reason. - Jed
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