Lou, If W&L works and you capture a neutron to form Ni63 from Ni62 you would have a half life of 98.7 years before the beta decay. There would be a very small quantity of Cu63 as a result.
I have made numerous calculations which demonstrate that you get the same amount of energy release regardless of the path between two of these points as long as you start and end at the same isotopes. As example, Ni62 + neutron = Ni63 plus energy. Next Ni63 beta decays to Cu63 and releases energy. The sum of these energy releases is exactly the same as if you take Ni62 and add a proton and electron to arrive at Cu63. You must subtract the energy of formation for the neutron from the first path to make the balance. In this beta decay:Ni63 to Cu63 the neutrino has 49.52 keV while the beta particle has 17.425 keV. Most of the energy shows up in the neutrino which seems typical of the beta plus decays as well. The decay energy in this case is much less than in the other more typical examples. The beta plus decay of Cu59 into Ni59 releases 3.7773 MeV typically. Only 1.7226 MeV is given to the positron. Dave -----Original Message----- From: pagnucco <pagnu...@htdconnect.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 11:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) David, According to my rough calculations the Ni-to-Cu transmutations do release ignificant energy, as you claimed - see my reply to ny.min. I am not ure how much energy is siphoned off by the neutrino, though. I assumed a neutron capture by the Ni nucleus, so no there would be no eed to consider the coulomb barrier. Excess energy is released, if we ssume the conversion of electron+proton--to--neutron takes approximately 80 Kev. So W-L theory, or hydrinos, or some kind of screening, could xplain the transmutations, if they are real. Lou Pagnucco David Roberson wrote: I took a table of nuclides and performed a Energy difference between the different nickel isotopes, plus associated proton and electron, and the daughter copper isotopes and compared the net released energy to the energy required to overcome the coulomb barrier. The most significant energy release which exceeds the barrier occurs when the Ni62 or Ni64 isotopes are converted. The delayed beta plus decay which is present for all of the other transformations looses a large amount of energy to a neutrino which promptly escapes the device. I will demonstrate the numbers below. These components are required to build Cu63 from Ni62 1 u = 931.494 MeV Disregard the slight rounding errors, excel chart source of data Ni62 Mass=61.92835 (u) Energy=57685.88 MeV Proton Mass=1.007276 (u) Energy=938.2716 MeV Electron Mass=.000549 (u) Energy=.510999 MeV Coulomb Barrier Energy ~5.6 MeV according to Rossi in his paper Cu63 Mass=62.9296 (u) Energy=58618.54 MeV Mass of components of Cu63;Ni62 + Proton + Electron=62.936175 (u) Energy=58624.66 MeV Mass decrease that must be released as energy=62.936175 - 62.9296 = .006575 (u) Energy= 6.12457 MeV - 5.6 MeV Barrier = .52457 MeV;Same Calculation for Cu65 yields 1.8532 MeV In these reactions there are no Beta Plus Decay radiation losses due to neutrino release and no 511 keV gammas. Please note that I also calculated the expected energy release due to W&L process on the isotopes such as Ni60 and had perfect energy correlation when the energy required to make a neutron from a proton and electron is included. Exactly the same energy is seen in both paths (Rossi and W&L) when the starting point is a nickel isotope with a proton and an electron, and the final point is the next higher isotope of nickel. I am working very hard to get a clear understanding of the coulomb barrier energy behavior. I can show that the alpha process within stars stops once iron has been synthesized, but this is only true if the barrier energy is trapped within the nucleus in the form of mass. I am approaching the problem from different directions to prove whether or not this hypothesis is accurate. Dave -----Original Message----- From: pagnucco <pagnu...@htdconnect.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 11:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) David, Can you explain your conclusion. can't see how any energy is released in these Ni --> Cu transmutations. Lou Pagnucco David Roberson wrote: I may have been a bit to fast in pointing out the possible endothermic nature of the Ni62 and Ni64 reactions. They actually are the best two isotopes to use if you were not to rely upon the beta plus decay for a substantial portion of the energy release. They further are not susceptible to having the 511 keV gammas that would no doubt be released by the reactions involving the other nickel isotopes since copper 63 and 65 are stable and do not decay into nickel by that process. So, if Rossi is actually able to overcome the coulomb barrier by some mechanism and his device only uses the Ni62 and Ni64 isotopes then it could be functional. The energy released per atom for these two isotopes is only 1 or 2 MeV after satisfying the coulomb barrier, but that is a lot more than any chemical reaction can deliver. I wonder if the relatively modest amount of energy release also can be more safely directed toward useful forms such as vibrational coupling into the surrounding structure. All of my estimates and calculations assume the reaction path that has been suggested by Rossi instead of the W&L process which would be much more energetic. Each of these proposed mechanisms has it's own particular problems to overcome. Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) I just wanted to point out that if Ni62 and Ni64 are the only isotopes that work then the addition of a proton to either results in the production of a stable isotope of copper which does not undergo beta plus decay. Much less energy is released per atom if the beta plus decay is avoided. My calculations suggest that these two reactions might actually be endothermic due to the large coulomb barrier. Perhaps this is a bit of misdirection? Dave -----Original Message----- From: integral.property.service <integral.property.serv...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 4, 2012 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR) A.R. from Florida with love, "Andrea Rossi
