Subject was: Re: [Vo]:Re: ProdEngAssemble.avi
At 03:11 PM 8/17/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote:
If you just sell plans for poppers, electronic circuit boards and
licenses for the technology, then all of the liability rests with
the OEM's they drag in. They probably give them a short demo in the
shop before the thing malfunctions. I notice everytime I see a demo
it is behind explosion proof glass.
Oddity and UNCERTAINTY
There was one explosion of a Papp engine, as such, AFAIK. That's the
one where Feynman turned off the control electronics by pulling the
plug. He expected the engine to run down, and he held on to the plug
while Papp frantically tried to get it from him and plug it back in.
The incident demonstrates that a Papp engine can be dangerous.
Papp did a demonstration where an explosion was deliberately caused,
that was filmed. That was not an engine, it was a "cannon." Really, a
big "popper."
I'm not aware of other explosions, but I've only begun to read in this area.
Running Papp engines were witnessed and measurements were made with a
dynamometer. This is not some marginal effect. It radically violates
our expectations of what a noble gas mixture could do. I see only two
possibilities:
1. Sophisticated fraud, begun by Papp and continued after his death
by others. A sophisticated fraud can convince expert witnesses; this
is why we demand independent verification; while collusion can exist
between multiple parties, it is rare and the rarity increases with
the number and variety of independent verifications.
2. An anomaly of vast implications, deserving of urgent
investigation, "with all deliberate speed."
In science, ordinarily, one independent verification is enough to
establish even an unusual result as valid. Cold fusion is a
remarkable case where hundreds of independent verifications have been
considered inadequate by some. My claim is, generally, that "some"
are practicing cargo cult science. That goes back to what Jed
recently mentioned:
<http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf>http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf
-- this interchange between Noninsky and David Lindley, an editor at
Nature, including commentary by Nathan Lewis, lead author of the Cal
Tech negative replication report that Nature had published, is
utterly shocking as an example of misbehavior by one whom we would
expect to be a guardian of scientific neutrality and objectivity.
Taken together with the Lindsey's Nature editorial,
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/inthenews/1990/Nature-Embarassment.shtml,
we can see how the Scientific Fiasco of the Century (Huizenga's
language) was set up. Huizenga only knew the half of it. I'll write
separately on this.
Here, it is clear, the apparent impossibility of the Papp engine can
be seen as a primary reason why the Papp Effect, I'm calling it, has
not been deeply investigated. There is another reason, equally
important. Papp kept his methods secret, fearing loss of them to
other interests. Others, with more or less access to the secrets,
have likewise kept them hidden. So, until now, independent
verification was difficult or impossible. Because of his history and
apparent imbalance, John Rohner cannot be easily trusted, but if his
recent offer of demonstration kits is real, we will soon have some
independent testimony regarding the Papp Effect. For the first time,
investigation will be divorced from the demand for a full-out engine,
and can be focused on the Effect itself.
John Rohner is making an implied claim that the original Papp formula
for the fuel, from the patent, works. The only "secret," then, would
be the nature of the stimulation, and that's what Rohner is offering
to sell, in the form of the electronics that provide it, together
with the custom coils and electrodes, with complete specifications
for everything else. I presume that he knows that it will not be long
before the stimulation will be known in exact detail, even if he
hasn't provided that information, through examination of what his
circuit board and the coils do.
We have seen public demonstration of a "popper," by Bob Rohner,
possibly a rough equivalent of what John Rohner is offering. (And I
must point out that it is entirely possible that the John Rohner kit
doesn't work, but Bob Rohner's public demonstration does. Or one or
both kits produce a "pop," but not actual anomalous power, see below.)
What continues to be amazing to me is that the data to show anomalous
power would have been easily available, with some relatively simple
measurements in the demonstration. The lifting of a weight by the
popper, a defined distance, would show work done -- but the video of
Bob's popper, where it moves a hydraulic piston a measured distance,
is easier to analyze -- but there seems to have been no serious
questioning of Bob Rohner about this issue. How much energy is pumped
into the pistion with each cycle, and how much work comes out? Was
Bob Rohner asked about this?
John Rohner was also there at TeslaTech, with an employee explaining
his own kit device. But the device was not operating. Likewise, John
had what appeared to be a complete engine there, but begged off
demonstrating it because of agreements with his licensees.
(Plausible, but strange anyway.) Did anyone ask John Rohner how much
energy his popper produced with each cycle, set up and operated
according to the instructions?
It's embarrassing. I read it all this way: people who "believe" are
just too amazed -- or too ignorant -- to ask difficult questions, and
people who don't believe don't think it is worth the effort. Where
are real skeptics when we need them?
McKubre was there, but may be under nondisclosure agreements. At
least John Rohner claims that McKubre is "involved." (claims it using
capital letters and, in typical John Rohner style, implications of a
MASSIVE CONSPIRACY.) John Rohner shoots himself in the foot, merely
by touching that caps key. Actually, if he had any sense, he'd leave
all public communication to that young man who represented him at the
TeslaTech conference. And, of course, if he needs one, his lawyer.
John, if you read this, SHUT UP! Unless, of course, you actually want
sane people to reject you and your ideas and prospects. It doesn't
matter if you are right or wrong. People will read your state of
being, from what and how you communicate, and assume that nothing you
say can be trusted.
