Does this imply that the Tunguska event caused the idiocy of the Soviet
Union, or set the stage for it.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:07 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Our atmosphere is basically Nitrogen(N2), Oxygen(O2) and Water Vapor(H2O).
>  I believe the nuclei(vacuum energy) of that Tunguska Brane orbited through
> the Earth and jet streams for months afterward and ionized all of the
> molecules I mentioned previously, Creating NH3 and NH4NO3, O3, NOx and
> such.  It is the great ionizer and condenser of all matter and is at the
> heart of LENR.
>
> I have also been studying the dark ages and it appears something similar
> happened to the atmosphere back then in addition to the rampant disease
> that spread, lots of fireballs, foul air, floods, etc killing tens of
> millions across Europe and Asia.  I talked with the Professor/Author of one
> of the books that imply a comet or other celestial object(s) was a trigger,
> not to say that the opportunistic plague did not contribute.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Baillie
> Upon examining the tree-ring record, Baillie noticed indications of severe
> environmental downturns around 2354 BC, 1628 BC, 1159 BC, 208 BC, and AD
> 540. The evidence suggests that these environmental downturns were
> wide-ranging catastrophic events; the AD 540 event in particular is
> attested in tree-ring chronologies from 
> Siberia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia>
>  through Europe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe> and 
> North<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America>
>  and South America <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America>. This
> event coincides with the second largest ammonium signal in the Greenland
> ice in the last two millennia, the largest being in AD 1014, and both these
> epochs were accompanied by cometary apparitions. Baillie explains the
> general absence of mainstream historical references to this event by the
> fact it was described in terms of biblical metaphors since at that time
> "Christian beliefs included the dogma that nothing that happens in the
> heavens could have any conceivable effect on the 
> Earth."[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Baillie#cite_note-1>
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> 1811 also had a 7 year climate downturn after the visit by the Great Comet
> of 1811 (and the New Madrid Earthquakes in Dec 1811)
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> I don't think our rock and snowball model of the universe works very well.
>  Something is energetic enough to ionize "inert" molecules.  I think it is
> the vacuum energy within these energetic "particles"
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> I believe those billions of tons of CME's that miss us, which I think are
> mostly collapsed matter, end up here collecting dust
> http://www.universetoday.com/32515/kuiper-belt/
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> And then gradually hit us in the head every once in awhile as they are
> pulled in to the inner solar system.  These are mostly electromagnetic and
> gravitational branes spit out from the Sun in my book, which is just a 5
> dimensional brane herself.
>
> I am mostly interested since we will be passing through comet ISON's tail
> in Jan 2014. Many comet tails do cause meteor showers annually and
> something "unusual" is expected from ISON.
> http://www.space.com/20859-comet-ison-new-meteor-shower.html
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.
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> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>>  Thanks for the citation, Stewart. I was not aware that the Tunguska
>> event and Younger Dryas had already been connected via ammonia
>> concentration found in ice cores. And it is most intriguing that a special
>> type of higher energy event could be responsible for both. They speculate:
>> ****
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>> “An analog of the Haber process with hydrogen contributed by cometary or
>> surface water, atmospheric nitrogen, high pressures, and possibly catalytic
>> iron from a comet could in principle produce ammonia…”****
>>
>> ** **
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>> But the kind of energy necessary to produce the amount of nitrates seen –
>> is apparently absent. Since there has been no mention of significant
>> radioactivity – and given there is like to be massive “extra” gain above
>> the physics of normal atmospheric impact dynamics, then LENR should not be
>> ruled out as a contributing source of energy for such events.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I wonder if the recent Russian meteor at Chelyabinsk produced significant
>> ammonia or other nitrates and if it too contained Lonsdaleite and nickel?
>> Many hits turn up on google, as expected - but nothing conclusive that I
>> have seen. ****
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>> A cross-connection between three factors: nitrates in the atmosphere,
>> Lonsdaleite carbon and nickel in the bolide, and the lack of large debris
>> evidence (indicative of an atmospheric explosion) would be interesting for
>> further speculation based on the possibility of how perhaps 10 times more
>> energy than can otherwise be accounted for. (notice how many times the
>> estimated of the size of the Chelyabinsk meteor was raised based solely on
>> the energy, and not the visual evidence).****
>>
>> ** **
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>> In short, if Chelyabinsk was really that large, there should have been
>> prior notice in the ongoing surveys, and if it was comparatively small, as
>> seems to be the case, then the extra energy could have come from a
>> non-nuclear source involving hydrogen and nano-porosity.****
>>
>> ** **
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>> *From:* ChemE Stewart ****
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>> At the time of Tunguska, something also increased the levels of Ammonia
>> and Ammonium Nitrate in the atmosphere to significant levels as shown in
>> ice cores.  ****
>>
>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf****
>>
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>> My bet is that the Tunguska "meteorite" had a LENR/vacuum energy core and
>> was actually a BRANE per M Theory, just like a comet.  They ionize the air
>> in their surroundings.  If rocks can generate 10-15 megatons (up to 1000
>> times Hiroshima) in the atmosphere without hitting anything why do we need
>> nuclear weapons?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Stewart****
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>> darkmattersalot.com****
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>> Story with many implications, real or imaginary:
>>
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>> http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast
>> -1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611<http://www.nature.com/news/rock-samples-suggest-meteor-caused-tunguska-blast%0d%0a-1.13163?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130611>
>>
>> "Researchers from Ukraine say that they have found a smoking gun for the
>> Tunguska event," and it is a small fragment from an iron-nickel-carbon
>> meteor that could have caused the half-megaton blast, leaving few traces.
>> The study is published in Planetary and Space Science.
>>
>> Hold on ... there is more... including the possibility of a Rossi/ LENR
>> connection! <g>
>>
>> Aside from the enormity of the blast and the lack large rock debris, there
>> is an overlooked factoid - the samples which have been found contain an
>> exotic form of carbon called Lonsdaleite - which is somewhere between
>> graphite and diamond ... and can be nanoporous. There has been prior
>> speculation on carbon - in some exotic form or another, as being part of
>> the
>> Rossi secret catalyst... otherwise this Tunguska story is not exactly on
>> topic.
>>
>> This particular form of carbon was found at another special impact site -
>> which also relates to a pivotal period at the end of the last ice age,
>> around 11-13 thousand years ago which is steeped in mythology (the demise
>> of
>> the Clovis culture, the rise of the Gobekli Tepe culture, Atlantis, the
>> flood of Noah, etc). Lonsdaleite has been found as nano-crystals embedded
>> in
>> iron-nickel and dated to this exact time period at Lake Cutizeo near
>> Guanajuato, Mexico, supportive of the controversial Younger Dryas impact
>> hypothesis. That was presumed to be a massive explosion, since melt-glass
>> from it was found as far away as Syria.
>>
>> Lonsdaleite is an allotrope of carbon with a hexagonal lattice. The
>> crystal
>> lattice, is harder and stronger than diamond and usually embedded in an
>> iron-nickel matrix, and there is the important nano-geometry (it is called
>> nano-diamond), and the fact that many meteors contain ice, methane and
>> hydrogen - all of which, taken together with a larger than expected
>> explosion ...
>>
>> hmmm... maybe it is a bit surprising that the Pentagon hasn't taken an
>> active interest in the HotCat... or maybe they have.
>>
>> Jones
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>> ****
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