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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:15 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:

> That sounds like a good material for Rossi to experiment with for active
> cooling.  He might be able to reverse the thermal run away process while
> operating much closer to the limit of his ECAT thermal capacity.  Do you
> know the temperature at which that these devices typically operate?
>
>
> Dave
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>
> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 9:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control
>
>   *A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power
> transfer density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a factor.
>
>  The heat transfer can be controlled by a temperature regulation of the
> liquid lithium return flow. More flow results in more cooling through heat
> transfer through phase change from liquid to vapor. This phase change
> mechanism is 1000 more powerful than convection cooling. **
>  * *
>  * *
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Systems like the LFTR have passive high temperature thermal control based
>> on thermal expansion of a near-critical mass density.  As the temperature
>> increases, thermal expansion produces a rapid drop in power production
>> thereby stabilizing the reactor core.
>>
>>  Systems like the E-Cat HT are solid state and, in any event, are not
>> dependent on critical mass density, but another approach to utilization of
>> thermal expansion might work:
>>
>>  Thermal Convection
>>
>>  To make thermal convection work, passive (free) convective forces must
>> be large enough to move enough thermal capacity past the power source and
>> must be in a regime where the rate of cooling exceeds the power production
>> at the target temperature.
>>
>>  The 3 variables one has to play with to reach the target temperature
>> are material thermal properties, power density of the E-Cat and g forces.
>>  Of these three, only g forces and power density are amenable to continuous
>> alteration via centrifugation and reactor fabrication respectively.
>>
>>  In my ultracentrifugal rocket engine patent, the g-forces are so
>> enormous that enormous fluid flow, hence enormous thermal capacity flow
>> enables relatively small heat exchange surfaces to cool the engine.  A
>> material that might be worthwhile analyzing in this regard is NaCl (sodium
>> chloride) with a melting point near the high end of the E-Cat HT, and a
>> heat capacity comparable to that of H2O.  It is problematic to run molten
>> NaCl in an ultracentrifuge due to material strength limits as they detemper
>> at high temperature.
>>
>>  On the other hand, power density might be reduced to the point that the
>> heat capacity flow rate, even under only 1-g, might be sufficient.
>>
>>  Clearly some arithmetic needs to be done here.
>>
>
>

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