ya ente kalo niat, cari...
gampang kok, telepon saja ke detik Surabaya.
itu kalo niat...kalo cuman omdo sih ya susah...
----- Original Message -----
From: jano ko
To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Editorial: Fight against terror and India
Kalo mmg peduli dengan janda yang jadi maling...
nggak usah banyak bacot menyalah-nyalahkan orang lain...
---
Janoko :
Nomor rekeningnya berapa ?, hari ini tak transfer bantuan suka rela.
Salam.
Janoko ( bukan pemarah, krn pemarah = pecundang )
-o0o-
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto <ary.setij...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto <ary.setij...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Editorial: Fight against terror and India
To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 12:59 PM
[mode galak on]
ah yang ini sama saja....
kalo belum tahu itu google dulu... jangan malas!!
apa-apa pingin disuapin...
Kalo mmg peduli dengan janda yang jadi maling...
nggak usah banyak bacot menyalah-nyalahkan orang lain...
silahkan berangkat sana...
jika tidak, diam saja, itu lebih baik...
[mode galak off]
----- Original Message -----
From: jano ko
To: wanita-muslimah@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Editorial: Fight against terror and India
Bung Ary :
paling banter bisanya ya gitmo...body cavity search... kurang cerdas
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Janoko :
Hanya mau bertanya saja, ada yang tahu definisi terorisme ?
Salam
-o0o-
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto <ary.setijadi@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ary Setijadi Prihatmanto <ary.setijadi@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Editorial: Fight against terror and India
To: wanita-muslimah@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 6:27 AM
Yang bener saja om....
di Indonesia teroris itu kalo ketangkep ditembak mati...
di Pakistan, teroris di ekspor ke India, Afghan dll. silahkan dicari mana
teroris dihukum mati di pakistan?
Eropa, cuman pinter ngomong doang anti-teroris,
milosevic, rodovan karadzic nggak diapa-apain,
walau katanya dipenjara, hidup dengan nyaman...
nggak tahu caranya anti-teroris tapi tetep beradab dan tidak diskriminatif.
paling banter bisanya ya gitmo...body cavity search... kurang cerdas
----- Original Message -----
From: sunny
To: Undisclosed- Recipient: ;
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:23 AM
Subject: [wanita-muslimah] Editorial: Fight against terror and India
Refleksi : Perbedaan antara Pakistan dan Indonesia terhadap terorisme ialah:
di Pakistan diserukan kepada para teroris untuk "meletakan senjata dan meminta
pengapunan dari Allah", sedangkan di Indonesia hanya dikatakan "terorisme musuh
semua agama".
http://www.dailytim es.com.pk/ default.asp? page=2009\07\ 20\story_
20-7-2009_ pg3_1
Editorial: Fight against terror and India
The interior minister, Mr Rehman Malik, addressed a press conference jointly
with his Afghan counterpart in Kabul on Friday and pledged better cooperation
between Pakistan and Afghanistan in the fight against the Taliban insurgency.
He admitted that "mistakes have been made by both sides in the past". Mr Malik
characteristically warned the terrorists: "Stop it! We've decided to take you
on, we've decided to flush you out...you've killed so many people...throw down
your arms and ask for mercy from God".
The joint press conference sounded like any that has happened in the past
between the dignitaries of the two countries. Kabul is always polite and
courteous, unwilling to express differences in the open; and Pakistan has
likewise responded with niceties. But if you look at what the two say about
each other at home, one comes across divergences and antagonisms that may take
long years to overcome. Is there, however, a difference of tone detectable in
the latest statements from the interior ministers?
One clear difference is that Pakistan is now less confused about what to do
with its own Taliban than ever in the past. It has decided to take on the
warlords of its Tribal Areas, and the world clearly sees that it is fighting
them in real earnest, killing the terrorists and losing its own soldiers in the
process. Has Kabul, too, undergone a change of heart? Is there a hopeful change
of policy there too? Unfortunately, there is a big area of discussion where the
two will not speak openly and their positions may still be far apart.
Kabul has looked at Pakistan as the nursery of Talibanisation and is bothered
by "invasions" from inside Pakistan led by Taliban commanders and containing
Pakistani Taliban, confirming Kabul's claim that all Taliban are under a joint
command. It has accused Pakistan of giving shelter to the Afghan Taliban in
Balochistan and has been pointing the finger at Quetta as their stronghold.
Pakistan has consistently denied this and it is a matter of record that
Islamabad has asked the Americans to inform it of what they mean by the Quetta
Shura. Nothing substantive has been given to Pakistan except more allegations
and newspaper reports about Taliban presence in and around Quetta! On the other
hand the presence of some Baloch secessionist leaders in Kabul is now an
established fact.
Kabul also reads its own messages in the presence of India in Afghanistan.
Apart from the considerable reconstruction and development work being carried
out by India there, it is also seen as a strategic make-weight against the
potential dominance of Pakistan. In this thinking, Kabul is not alone. The
Americans see India as a "useful partner" in the task of Afghanistan' s
reconstruction. They may also see the Indian presence as a permanent solution
to Pakistan's policy of interference and dominance in Afghanistan, though the
more discerning analysts realise that such a policy is doomed by the
constraints of geography. Kabul is strengthened further by the support India
enjoys from Iran as both try to limit Pakistan's leverage over Afghanistan.
Pakistan's "unofficial" view is that Kabul is being run by a puppet
government put up by the Americans, and it sees India as a part of the American
plan not only to prevent Pakistan from asserting its legitimate influence over
Afghanistan, but also to set it up as the hegemon of South Asia. Pakistan is
yet to clearly define the role of Iran, just as it was unable to reconcile its
decision to construct an Iran-Pakistan- India gas pipeline with its permanent
strategy to challenge India in the region.
India, on the other hand, doesn't give Pakistan the role the world wants to
give it as the fighter against terrorism. It actually thinks it is a part of
the problem, but no one listens to it. America thinks Pakistan is crucial in
the fight against terrorism and is reacting positively to Islamabad's change of
policy towards the Taliban. But, just when the US Congress passes laws to
reward Pakistan for its new policy, India wants Pakistan punished instead. This
is where New Delhi, pushed by its domestic politics, is isolating itself. Its
interference inside Pakistan, so far ignored by the world, could thus become an
international worry.
If India relents, Pakistan will be happier changing its view of India and
move forward and normalise its relations with India. It has to mix its old
"realist" strategy of maintaining stability through power-balance with a new
"liberal" approach of achieving stability through economic interdependence.
Till that happens, however, the various state postures in the region will
remain ambiguous and contradictory, with possibilities of covert wars being
fought by non-state actors through infusion of funds and weapons. *
Second Editorial: Staying on in Swat
The NWFP government has announced that it will spend Rs25 billion on
revamping the security infrastructure in the Malakand division, and that it
will ensure that the army remains deployed in Swat for at least two years "to
allow for the capacity building of local security forces". It wants to double
the number of police officers and police stations there, giving them
state-of-the- art weapons and communication systems. Prime Minister Yousaf Raza
Gilani has already announced Rs20 billion in support of the plan.
As the IDPs stream back to their homes in the division, they need the army in
place for psychological reasons. On ground, troops are needed to help a
rudimentary administration reassert itself and impose order on an area that had
become the stronghold of the terrorists for nearly three years. The trauma of
killings and beheadings is still fresh and trust in the permanence of the state
is still shaky. Worse, warlord Fazlullah is still alive and broadcasting from
his FM radio, reminding us that some areas of Malakand are still "infected".
The economics of setting up a cantonment in Swat continues to recommend
itself. The Pannu Aqil cantonment in Sindh was politically inappropriate when
it was conceived and built. But the economic infrastructure it has bestowed on
a backward region has made people forget that they had opposed it once. In a
country where new cities emerge as a result of the incremental encroachment of
slums, new cantonments remain a significant planned way of urban growth.
The tourism industry in Swat, ignored over a long time, would be revived if
human security is ensured. There is now hope that the NWFP will take advantage
of the present moment to rectify all the mistakes made in the past. Swat must
not be allowed to become a permanent liability on the province; it has the
capacity of being on its own with its tourism potential. And tourism's first
requirement is stability and security. *
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