Hoi,
In my opinion the notability rules for Wikidata need to change. I have
created an RFC to reflect this [1].
Thanks,
GerardM
[1]
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Notability_%26_early_creation_of_Wikidata_items
On 11 March 2014 12:36, Joe Filceolaire <filceola...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that it makes sense that one of the first things to do when
> creating a new wikipedia article should be to create an infobox which is
> automagically linked to the creation of a wikidata item. There are a number
> of considerations related to this.
>
> 1. Notability. The current rules for Wikidata means that it is not
> acceptable to create a wikidata item until after the Wikipedia article has
> been created.
>
> 2. Drafts. English Wikipedia has recently enabled a Draft name space for
> people to use to develop new articles. Articles in the Draft namespace are
> not indexed by Google and are not required to meet notability standards
> until they are transferred to the Main namespace. Should we change the
> rules on wikidata so Draft articles can be sitelinked and have wikidata
> items?
>
> 3. Visual Editor. The visual editor already has some template editing
> functionality but it does not link to a wikidata item. To get Wikipedia
> editors editing wikidata we need an infobox creation wizard which will mean
> wikipedia editors can edit wikidata from inside wikipedia and it feels like
> they are editing an info box. Personally I think the first step should be
> to enable the wikibase client on wikidata so we can start developing these
> internationalised and localised infoboxes on wikidata which can then be
> redeployed to other WMF wikis.
>
> Yours
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
> lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > On 10 March 2014 07:41, Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree with what Gerard wrote.
>> >
>> > Then please see my response to him.
>> >
>> >> We should be moving away from a world
>> >> where information is entered on Wikipedia and then in addition on
>> >> Wikidata. We need to move to a world where information is added in
>> >> Wikidata and then used on Wikipedia.
>> >
>> > I'd love to know how you think that will happen, in a timely manner,
>> > for the kinds of people who use AfC,
>>
>> Where do you see the biggest obstacles right now in the process? Maybe
>> we can identify those and then see if we can find solutions for them?
>> I'm not saying what you're seeing isn't a problem we need to fix. I
>> just think we need to solve it in a better way. Let's find it.
>>
>> >> Otherwise the whole idea ofther t
>> >> Wikidata is kinda moot. It will not happen tomorrow and need more work
>> >> but this is where we should be going and I'd rather we didn't take
>> >> steps that drag this process out even longer.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, articles are being created, daily, via AfC with no Wikidata
>> > equivalent, or where someone has to create the equivalent manually,
>> > cutting-and-pasting or retyping text, rather than having tools do the
>> > work for them. That's crazy.
>>
>> Sure. That is clearly not a great situation and we should see if we
>> can improve it. What I'm saying is that we should not improve it by
>> making people enter even more information in Wikipedia and then copy
>> it over to Wikipedia while our long-term goal is exactly the opposite.
>> Because this will only bite us down the road. Let's identify the
>> specific issues and see if we can find other solutions for them.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
>>
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