Hoi,
When you want to do the stuff you are talking about, you do it in Wikidata
in the area where all the aliases, descriptions and stuff is. That is for
that specific item. When you see fall backs in the statement area of an
item, it is a SERVICE that you can add missing labels. When they are wrong,
you can edit them. You do this on the item itself.
Daniel, what you suggest is overly complicated and the notion that "it" has
to be perfect stands in the way of implementing a working solution. A
solution that is the difference between statements that are useful and
statements that are absolutely useless in most languages.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 May 2014 10:19, Daniel Kinzler <daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Am 04.05.2014 22:50, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> > Hoi,
> > When you see a label in Reasonator, you will find that when it is not in
> *YOUR*
> > language, it is underlined in red. You can hover over a label and you
> will be
> > prompted to add a label in the named language.
>
> Nice. Label and Description should go together though.
>
> > ONLY your language.
>
> So you see a typo, want to edit it, get en empty edit box (what? why?),
> enter
> the correct spelling, save it, and see it for your variant - but you
> didn't fix
> the actual mistake. You provided a new label in a different variant.
> Confusing.
> We need a better solution.
>
> The "wiki expectation" is that you can edit what you see. On top of that,
> we
> want people to provide variant labels. These two things need to be
> combined nicely.
>
> > Wikidata
> > being Wikidata can provide the option as it already does to see multiple
> labels
> > for the languages as selected in the #Babel template. That is the
> obvious place
> > to see and edit labels in multiple languages.
>
> Except that doesn't work for Aliases. And generally, people doe *not* set
> variants in their babel boxes ("yea, I speak us english, british english,
> canadian english and australian english"...).
>
> Yes, this obviously needs to be integrated. How, exactly?
>
> > When you think that language fallback in Reasonator is "easy", it is
> very much
> > because the options have been considered properly. It does provide fall
> back in
> > a user specified manner. It does show all the labels used for an item
> but it
> > does NOT provide an option to edit them. It could, but this is left for
> Wikidata
> > itself just like adding statements has been left to Wikidata.
>
> Yea, leave the complicated part to us, but don't complain that it takes
> time :)
>
> > There are three parts to an item in Wikidata. Labels, statements and
> links. It
> > is best imho not to complicate things and leave this partition in place.
>
> By "links" you mean sitelinks? How about referenced items? Fallback needs
> to
> apply there too. And you forget aliases. Labels, descriptions and aliases
> kind
> of go together. They are editable, and should be integrated with Babel
> stuff.
> Labels of referenced sitelinks should have fallback applied, but are not
> editable. Sitelinks are unrelated.
>
> As I said: it needs careful design.
>
> -- daniel
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kinzler
> Senior Software Developer
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland
> Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
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