Marc, your argument does not address the article I posted. In fact, it contradicts it. You say it plays into his "turf," but as I pointed out, the method pits him against himself.
The future of vandalism bots on Wikipedia is *certainly* machine learning techniques. The question is, is the community going to waste their time contacting the police, or figuring out what it would take to get the source code and some funds from the Foundation? If I were a determined vandal, you could not stop me with the current bots. I consider the vandalism this kid is performing to be trivial. He is not even trying that hard. The problem is that the bots that have been put up against him are ruled based and he can easily lookup the rules. Vandalism and counter-vandalism is an arms race, but it is nowhere near as bad as the e-mail spam arms race as there is no financial incentive. Thus, simple bayesian techniques that are used for e-mail, and those described in the article I posted, will be very effective. The training set is monstrous - all of the tagged vandalism in the database. The method automatically escalates the arms race and nips each new technique in the bud as soon as it surfaces. Beating it will require a new breed of vandals. I say it again, contacting the police and the FBI is not the solution. Fixing the bots is. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net>wrote: > on 12/29/08 6:43 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: > > > Contacting the police and the FBI. It is an uncreative, heavy-handed > measure > > that does not solve the problem. It will not stop this vandal and it will > > not stop future vandals. > > I disagree, Brian. Dealing with him using the computer as the mechanism is > playing right into him. The computer is his turf, and the far-reaching > exposure is exactly what he's wanting. The computer setting is something he > feels he can control - the authorities would be something he could not. > > Marc > > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Marc Riddell > > <michaeldavi...@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> on 12/29/08 6:37 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: > >> > >>> This is preposterous. > >> > >> What is? > >> > >> Marc > >> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahew...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or > >> more) > >>>> of > >>>>> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal complaint > >> to > >>>> the > >>>>> police. > >>>>> > >>>>> Marc Riddell > >>>> > >>>> I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this talk about > >>>> blocking the ISP, bots and so on would quickly become unnecessary once > >>>> a couple of complaints were made to the police and he and his family > >>>> were dealing with the FBI or the police on their doorstep > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WikiEN-l mailing list > >>>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WikiEN-l mailing list > >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > -- You have successfully failed! _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
