Hi all, yes, the consensus was not to delete no-URAA files only on the basis of US law. But there is an ongoing discussion about reverting this decision apparently: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:WikiProject_Public_Domain/URAA_review#Starting_the_review I recommend to participate, in order to fix a consensus. A. *Ruthven* on Wikipedia
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 01:32, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: > According to Joyce foundation “all works published during his lifetime are > in the public domain” [in the EU, UK and Ireland. ] > > https://joycefoundation.utulsa.edu/joyce-copyright/joyce-works-copyright-public-domain/ > > apparently this is a URAA item > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:URAA-restored_copyrights > > i do not see that it has ever been deleted on commons. > > however "*YES. URAA cannot be used as the sole reason for deletion."* > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Massive_restoration_of_deleted_images_by_the_URAA > > here it is a internet archive > https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.463592/page/n3/mode/2up > > so a bold individual, might well defy precautionary principle and upload > expect a deletion nomination in response. > > jim hayes > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 10:03 AM Nicolas VIGNERON < > vigneron.nico...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Some explanations/clarifications here : >> - applicable law is a millennia old unsolved nightmare, but to make it >> short, both US and local laws are applicable on Wikimedia Commons. >> - when you say "Finnegans Wake by James Joyce", what are you talking >> about exactly? There are a lot of editions, with a lot of >> corresponding copyright (and I would say that some - if not most - of >> them are already public domain in both the local country and US). Who >> is the translator? What is the publication date in the US? Was there a >> copyright notice? >> - "internet barrier" is indeed not possible (hence my first point) >> - "a German subsidiary legal entity" (or any/all other countries) has >> already been discussed many times, in the end it's just not feasible >> (see previous point) nor realistic (US law is probably still >> applicable anyway). >> >> PS: in any case, it will clearly be public domain in the US in 2035, >> which is quite soon (we have files marked to undelete as far as 2160 >> on Commons/Wikisource ;) ) and there is a lot more other work to >> transcribe on Wikisource meanwhile. >> >> Cheers, >> Nicolas >> >> >> >> Le mer. 1 juin 2022 à 21:56, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> a écrit : >> > >> > Yes, there was a wikilivres project in Canada (pma +50) but it fizzled >> out. >> > There have also been attempts to have a local EDP or “fair use” of the >> lesser term, but that would be up to the local wikisource community. >> (English has resisted this) >> > Other institutions have transcription efforts not constrained by >> commons copyright rules. For example, transcribed si.org >> > Sorry about that >> > Jim hayes >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:05 AM Julius Hamilton < >> juliushamilton...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey, >> >> >> >> From what I understand WikiSource’s servers are located in the US and >> must therefore follow US Copyright. >> >> >> >> I would like a much deeper understanding of how copyright is upheld >> online since it’s so easy to access “foreign” websites, of course. >> >> >> >> I would like to upload a book - Finnegans Wake by James Joyce - to >> WikiSource. It’s out of copyright in Europe but on the US, because they >> have different copyright lengths. >> >> >> >> If we assume US copyright law applying to servers physically located >> in the US, that much makes sense. But is there a law that people in the US >> cannot access those same materials on foreign servers where they are not >> copyrighted? If that’s actually a law, how do they enforce that? They would >> need to stick up some kind of internet barrier, internet censorship. Is >> that legal? How could they achieve it? Wouldn’t they basically have to get >> internet service providers to block a certain domain or something? So… the >> government would say, “We heard foreign site X is serving copyrighted >> material to American citizens; block that site for all Americans”? And then >> the foreign site would respond (to get unblocked) by checking the location >> of whoever’s requesting their webpage and probably specifically limit >> content depending on region, to comply with the government? (In which case >> the user could use a VPN.) >> >> >> >> What about where a company is registered? >> >> >> >> Can Wikisource.de - if it’s actually hosted in Germany - host >> Finnegans Wake even if Wikisource is perhaps trademarked in the US or >> something? >> >> >> >> Does the law work that way, that a company registered in one country >> is responsible for complying with copyright law internationally? (I assume >> so, it sounds likely). >> >> >> >> Anyway: if we cannot host Finnegans Wake on Wikisource.de, is there >> any good workaround? Wikipedia is a very international phenomenon, it would >> be too bad if it only were ruled by American law. Can’t we create a German >> subsidiary legal entity for it or something? >> >> >> >> Thanks very much, >> >> Julius >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikisource-l mailing list -- wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikisource-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikisource-l mailing list -- wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikisource-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list -- wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikisource-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list -- wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikisource-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >
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