We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also equiped with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an emergency. However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean he is skilled in tower rescue. Our guy is trained NOT to climb to perform a risky rescue, unless it is a situation that is absolutely necessary or low risk. He's trained to call 911 first. In our county, the fire trucks and helicopters would be there in less time than he could make it up the tower.
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two > way radio. Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no > ladder/elevator) 1 person watching. My thought process is in the event > something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing > isn't stuck in a bad situation. > > No exceptions. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert > <eric.alb...@alvarion.com>wrote: > >> When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I >> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared >> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my >> wife) in working at height. >> >> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took >> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the >> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was >> needed to be safe. >> >> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully >> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from >> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the >> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I >> never had to. >> >> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to >> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is >> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the >> equally equipped? >> >> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. >> >> >> >> >> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower >> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So >> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed >> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly >> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like >> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios. >> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In >> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as >> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled >> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my >> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day. >> >> >> Eric Albert >> Application Engineer >> Alvarion Inc. >> | >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW! I have a lot more repeaters than >> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair. We're mostly >> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week. >> 130+ plus of uptime. What gear are you using that needs to be revisited >> so often? >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> >> >> Well, lately we have backed off. But for the last 8 months, it seemed >> like a couple legs a day (30 sites). So much for the cheap route I >> went........ >> >> Brian >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >> >> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg >> safety rated for 5,000lbs. At least I don't know of any on the grain >> legs we are on. Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a >> cable. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of >> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on >> the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a >> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that >> is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? >> >> Brian >> >> Chuck Hogg wrote: >> >> >> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint. This was >> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando. The only >> issue >> >> >> is >> >> >> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you >> are >> supposed to wear a harness. >> >> >> >> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I >> get to >> the top. >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> >> On >> >> >> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> >> >> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages >> around >> >> >> them. >> >> >> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder. >> >> Brian >> >> Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so much crap on >> them it >> was >> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the >> >> >> thought). >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> >> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> >> >> >> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all >> this safety >> gear is still relatively new isn't it >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other >> than >> our hooks >> and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one >> single >> belt >> around >> >> the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 >> feet. >> Enough >> to >> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you. I "burned" one >> pole one >> time. Torn shirt, splinters in my arms. Funny how quick you >> can hug a >> pole >> >> when you hook hits a knot in the pole. (The reason it >> happened >> was I was >> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend). In any >> event, it was >> the preferred way of climbing. Much quicker and easier, and >> actually, if >> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> >> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> >> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> >> >> >> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off >> with? >> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to >> move it that you >> are then not tied off at all? >> >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm >> climbing... but when I am in >> a >> position I am going to be working at I tie off >> in two different places >> just >> in case... because you never know what might >> happen. >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident >> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in >> two places because this >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall >> off"? >> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net >> <dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> >> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> >> wrote: >> >> >> Not to say thats not right. The whole >> point of the Darwin awards was >> that the people who died have died in >> the most stupidest way, that they >> did the entire human population a favor >> by eliminating themselves from >> the gene pool. There is a movie even >> on >> it. Like the guy who >> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, >> the >> guy who was so cheap, he got >> his hand stuck in the soda machine and >> while trying to free it, it feel >> over on him. ETC. Its on netflix >> instant streaming. >> >> ------------------------------ >> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik >> Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> <http://www.wispa.org/> <http://www.wispa.org/> >> <http://www.wispa.org/> <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & >> WISP Support Services* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: >> http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> >> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering >> LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training >> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> /* >> >> >> >> George Rogato wrote: >> >> >> Very sad indeed. >> I don't think they should be giving >> awards away for incidents when >> people die at work. Even if the person >> made a mistake like that. >> It was not funny to me at all. >> >> But some have a weird sense of humor. >> Me, I see no humor in a death or >> falling >> off a tower >> >> >> Blair Davis wrote: >> >> >> >> Tower accident... >> >> >> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ---- >> >> >> ---- >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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