Michael Kear wrote:
The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it.

There is one flaw in how the font-size is implemented: IE/win is
buggy if we apply too small font-size on body (less than 100%), and ems are buggy on body. The browsers own font-resizing steps becomes too large.
I don't think anyone can read the text on that page if it is resized to "smallest" in IE/win now. (I've got a couple of screen shots, but I think every web designer with an IE6 in his/her backyard can test it).


The right approach is to set font-size on body to 100.01%, and 76% (or something) on div#container in your case. IE6 will display it reasonably well then-- in all its 5 font-steps.

I put the "too small to read?" page in there because the deputy chairman of the station who is overseeing the project couldn't read the site. In my browser, it all looks fine. In his it doesn't. It's a conundrum. If he set up his browser properly, the site would look ok.

He, and a lot of other visitors, may have as little clue about how to set their browsers right as you may have setting them wrong...

Well my problem is, I can't see the issue I'm trying to solve. I don't know how to set up my browser wrongly so I get the same view that our deputy chairman does. You do apparently.

IMHO: we should all know how visitors _may_ set up their browsers. That knowledge may save us from a lot of complaints.

To be honest I don't know how to deal with this issue and perhaps others might like to suggest a way.

If you can't find a solution with relative font-size (which you should), then follow your own suggestion and set it to 13px on text until you have found a better solution. That's middle of the road size to most... If in doubt: set it slightly larger...

If they can't see the site because it's too small, and I want to keep
the relative font sizing, how to I deliver a help page that they can
see? It's silly to give them a page with fonts in relative sizes (1.0em) because that's the problem they're trying to solve! For the others that size is huge.

Only if you get the relative font-size wrong (see above).

I think we all would be happy if every visitor knew exactly how to set
their browsers correct for our sites. If we web designers don't know how
to do this-- how can we expect everyone else to know?

Alright, font-size issues will never be solved throughout internet, because there are too many personal preferences, and IE/win.
They can be solved a lot better than they are on many sites though.
I have given you a better way to avoid some bugs and other problems (see above), and that's it since it's only IE/win-users who have these problems. That probably cover most of your regular visitors.
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I don't know if any of your visitors use Opera, but the page is breaking in that browser. The navigation on top is displayed vertically on the right side, and the footer is displayed just below where the navigation should be. Things are a bit tight up there.

No font-size problems though, and small text doesn't exist to a well-educated Opera-user anyway-- anywhere. Not in Moz/FF either. Something called "minemum font size" takes care of that.
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My general impression of the site is that its _too well thought out_ to be left with these weaknesses. It's all about some simple CSS-stuff, that can be tested and implemented over time, to make it really good and cross-browser stable.

regards
        Georg
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