Hi Jan,

On 15/08/05, Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Some screen readers sit on top of browsers like IE. If IE has Flash
> > embedded in it, and the Flash has been made accessible (see
> > <http://www.webaim.org/techniques/flash/>), then it's exposed to the
> > screen reader. The reason that screen readers should have access to
> > Flash is that developers sometimes put important information in Flash
> > movies, and people using screen readers should have access to it.
> 
> I'm aware of all of this, I wasn't just sure whether those visitors
> usually install the flash plgugin.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be patronising. It's an interesting question,
but one that I have no data on. I only know two people that use screen
readers, and both are very technical. They have Flash installed, but
I've no idea if that's typical. I was under the impression that IE
comes with the Flash plugin installed by default, but I don't know
that for sure. I've never intentionally installed the Flash plugin,
but it's there in IE.

Although it would be interesting to have data on the numbers of people
using assistive technology that also have the Flash plugin installed,
if it turned out that only a small percentage installed Flash, it
wouldn't detract me from wanting to embed Flash accessibly.

Another thing that I'm sure you're aware of is that Flash could never
truly be considered accessible, as it relies on Microsoft Active
Accessibility (MSAA) and IE to expose the accessibility features. This
is obviously better than nothing at all, but falls a long way short of
interoperability. WCAG 2.0 will introduce the concept of a baseline,
but if people start defining baselines of, "Best viewed in IE on a
Windows Operating System", it will be just like 1997 all over again.

Best regards,

Gez 

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