thanks georg that brilliant. i slightly modified some source from the frames with no frames site because it used more block elements than yours.
you can check out the basic template that i created if you like http://www.mcmonagle.biz/final9.htm I should have asked sooner. -best kvnmcwebn ****************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ******************************************************
