On 4 Mar 2013, at 19:31, David Powers wrote:

> Martin, good point about "the myth of them not being able to play."

I've got early bootlegs of the Pistols, Clash and Stranglers, they could all 
play pretty good.

> 
> I do think the DIY aspect of punk was very positive, and that DIY
> spirit continues to inspire many electronic musicians of all sorts.

For sure, it's really important. I still have the TV Personalities 7" and 
Scritti Politti 7" that had all the pressing etc details. I remember buying 
Cabs 7s and seeing them in the same que for UK Subs/Joy Division and waiting 
for the bus, sounds silly but it made it more real back then.

By the same note I remember seeing the Cabs, Throbbing Gristle and The Slits 
and not understand a thing that was going on, The Slits couldn't play for sure 
but there was something wonderful in the chaos :)

> 
> However, it's interesting to note that DIY approach was actually
> pioneered by jazz musicians already in the 1950's and 60's, by artists
> like Sun Ra, Charles Mingus, and the members of Chicago's AACM
> (Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians). It does make
> me wonder if any of the original Detroit techno artists were aware of
> their predecessors.

Yeah, there's a lot to learn from history, I didn't know it was Bob Dylan that 
changed the album format to what we know it as so yeah if I'm just learning 
that...

m

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