-----Original Message----- From: lo sens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [313] Black Flag 2
>To compare the EP with really bad cheesy UK house is >overstating it's ordinariness, I agree. I passed on it simply because I don't need another record like that. But it dissapoints me because it's so typical. I expect something distinct from Stacey Pullen. To speak to Peter's points: I think "The Floor" is more innovative than "The Stand". But that isn't my favorite work from Carl Craig either. I think both "The Floor" and "Throw" are pretty weak by Carl Craig standards for the first three-four minutes of the full versions of each track (this coming from an enormous Carl Craig fan). But they really come into their own after the lengthy loopy intros. Maybe if "The Stand" used circus samples or had Carl Craig singing, I would like it better. ;) >And I agree with you about his DJing: he's taken a >route I could never have imagined after listening to >his DJ Kicks mix, which ranks as one of my favourites. >I've only heard him play once, last year (1999), and >he was a real letdown (lots of Basement Jaxx, >Yoshitoshi type tracks, which I guess the new Black >Flag fits in with). Did he ever play out the same sort >of stuff that he plays on the DJ Kicks cd? Yes, he deifinitely spun better material once upon a time. I've recounted my experiences seeing him spin a few times on the list, so if you're an old-timer, press delete. Fall '97 - Seattle: First time seeing him spin. My expectations were solely based on the (then) relatively recent DJ Kicks release. I was hoping for greatness. This was simply the best set I've seen in my life. He was playing lots of material akin to the DJ Kicks release, like Track Relaxer type-stuff, but I didn't recognize a single track. Most of them were amazing. He was in the mix at least 70% of the time. The mixing was flawless and energetic. I left after about two hours because I had seen all I could possibly hope to see. This is the benchmark by which I still measure all other DJ sets (and I've seen some pretty damn good ones since). Fall '98 - London: Four-hour set in the chill room @ The End. I caught the first two hours. He played some great older funk/soul to start things off, then segued into deep house. He seemed to be having a good time - kind of a party atmosphere. I don't think he was taking it particularly seriously because he was in the Lounge. But it was good for the environment. I left after two hours to see Juan Atkins spin in the main room. All told, Pullen's set was nice for what it was. It was good to be surprised. When I tried to introduce myself to him, and tell him he'd spun the the best set I'd ever seen, he was completely rude and brushed me off. I never expect much in those situations, because I'm sure that getting swamped with affection from strangers could get annoying after a while. For what it's worth, everyone else I've ever talked to has been more than friendly (particularly Detroit folk). May '00 - San Francisco: The show was at the MOMA's 10th anniversary party. Crowd was an interesting mixture of art patrons and ravers. The venue was unbelievably swank. Pullen gave me my first taste of a set like you described. Frankly, there wasn't a lot of good music played. Most of it was very standard and exceedingly normal. I would have been very happy if he'd been playing Yoshi Toshi stuff. There were a few moments when he threw in harder chicago house, but right when it would start to get going, it would all be deflated by some progressive crap. I left feeling like I'd seen Carl Cox again. No one can fault his technique though. His skills are stellar. May '00 - DEMF: He had nowhere to go but up in my mind, after being dissapointed in San Francisco. He definitely did a good job by those standards, and there were some sustained moments of brilliance. This set is well documented on Groovetech. I was pleased at the recovery in this set, but it was still not back up to '97 standards, and was not as "pure" as the other sets @ DEMF IMHO. If I had seen the DEMF set in San Francisco, I would have been very pleased, but when you've already been blown away by uncompromised brilliance from Minx, Theo Parrish, Mike Grant, Mike Clark and Basic Channel w/Tikiman, you need to raise the bar, and I felt like he didn't quite do that. My $.02. Still very hopeful for the new album, but not running out the door to see him spin in DC anytime soon if he should be in the neighborhood. In such a techno unfriendly area, I don't think I'd want to see him spin here. Tristan ========================================== PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger "Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done." - Yo La Tengo >Cheers > >sens > > >--- Phonopsia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I passed >on the 12". I hope the album isn't more of >> the same, although from >> Cyclone's reviews it sounds like it's better than >> that. I wouldn't really >> rank it among the worst of UK cheeze though. I think >> he always manages to >> incorporate something valuable even if it ends up a >> bit flat, or standard. >> On that note, I really like his "Polyphonic >> Destruction" on The End. It's >> not that new anymore, but it's recent enough that I >> still have hope for the >> album. >> >> I just question why he's gone the route he's chosen. >> Both his DJing and the >> consistency of his musical output are suffering >> since he's attained status. >> All IMHO of course. >> >> Tristan >> ========================================== >> PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 >> "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger >> >> "Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to >> the Floor. >> I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. >> UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... >> The Damage is Done." - Yo La Tengo >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lo sens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 1:07 AM >> Subject: [313] Black Flag 2 >> >> >> >As a side note to the detroit house/techno >> discussion, >> >and at the risk of upsetting a few listmembers, >> does >> >anyone else think the new Stacey Pullen on his >> Black >> >Flag label is a major disappointment? This is a man >> >who was once responsible for some of the best >> Detroit >> >techno (Eye to Eye, The Death March) who now puts >> out >> >an EP to compete with the worst cheesy British >> house. >> > >> >I know some of you really dig it, but I'm >> definitely >> >not alone in my city in thinking it's a real dud. >> > >> >Opinions? >> > >> >And to balance my dissing of a Detroit native, the >> >Recloose remix of his own Can't Take It is up their >> >with my year's favourites. (The Herbert mix is also >> >absolutely brilliant; and the Carl Craig mix pretty >> >damn good too). >> > >> >Cheers >> > >> >sens >> > >> >===== >> >"Stop, Dave. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my >> mind is going. I can >> feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is >> no question about it. I >> can feel it." : HAL 9000 >> > >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ >> __ >> >http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! >> Cars >> >- Buy, sell or finance a car.. >> > >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >For additional commands, e-mail: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >_________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> . >> _________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @yahoo.com address at >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> . >> > > >___________________________________________________________________________ __ >http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! 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