In a message dated 1/31/01 5:17:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Things may be different where Glyph lives.  I sure would like to know.
>How about asking Alan Oldham or TP how many lying, thieving promoters
>they had to deal with in breaking out.  And how many more great Detroit
>DJs don't make it off their home turf because of... well.  I better not
>go any further.
>
>phred
>

Phred, its all the same shady mess everywhere and all the time. My point is
...don't let that stop you.  You can get over.

Alan and I have had many talks about these crazy promoters.  Many
with pathetic sob stories of how broke they are or how limited their budget 
is.
Alan certainly doesn't put up with it.  He's like, "You're bringing in some 
Trance guy
from Belgium and you want to short me some money?...C'mon now,
give me some money."  LOL  I hope he doesn't kill me for saying this.  =)

How many lying, thieving promoters one has dealt with depends on how
you deal with them initially.  Draw up a contract listing all your demands and
 
most importantly do the transaction with some professionalism, then promoters
will know what sort of person they are dealing with and how they will go 
about treating them. Lastly, stop talking about these  shady promoters 
because 
they don't hear you and they don't care. People always bitchin just 
because you get nicked a few times...well that's just life, isn't it?  But 
like any
goals you want to reach in life, you just don't give up.

Are you kidding? Alot of folks don't get recognition in their own 
hometown...let alone their own country, nothing new here 
but sometimes you can't worry too much about that in the beginning.  
The world is big and now much more competive and you have 
to get yours.   So get it, get it?

Then Tristan says, now its not just about you djing...its about you 
djing and making tracks which for the most part is your 'calling card' 
for gigs.  Yes its hype, and rock star formula but if the hype is 
accurate then hey...let them eat cake.  I like Tristan's long post.
I appreciate the fact that he realizes its a fight and you have to 
get out there and play the game.

Another thing that gets my goat is, I've read all too many unnecessary 
criticisms on this list over the music or dj skills of individuals who are 
out 
in the real world "doing it".  Trance dudes, included.  My question is...what 
are you doing about it if so and so sucks???  Like I said, get your 
butt out there...be shameless.  =)  Getting your music/mixes on the internet 
is 
one way but easy.  There's no 'real' challenge in it and it doesn't 
necessarily 
guarantee or prepare you for any 'real' gigs/experience with the 'paper' or 
'money'
behind it as opposed to going out there and selling yourself in person.   

In conclusion, I know not everyone wants to be famous (which I find hard
to believe)...but man, it beats sitting around being bitter, complaining 
about so and so's quick mixing when so and so is not able to defend 
his or herself (perhaps too busy to).

My last word....good luck,

g.

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