when i commented on Dan's record output, i was thinking about the idea that all music's hit a point where innovation gets overtaken by redundancy. and at some point you have to accept revisions on the original ideas, as opposed to startling new ideas. while in the specifics of this case, the wink track isn't good, i think in general, i'd rather hear a new track that is similar to an old track than the same old track over and over again. i didn't really explain this in my original mail, but that's what was going through my head. props to wink for putting out a new exciting version of french kiss when i was bored of hearing the old one constantly.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Joe Marougi wrote: > Well, I see what you're saying here, but then the question remains, "when is > it acceptable to voice your frustration?" In other words, at what point is > it ok to say something? Was the acceptable level of 'bite' not achieved in > this case to prompt the response? > > I think Dan did a good job in breaking it down personally. He didn't come > straight out and say, "He bit my sh*t!", but rather drew a clear picture on > how it came about. > > I don't wanna sit here and say that "you gotta have put tracks out to fully > understand", but there is a certain aspect of that present that'll take too > much time/effort to share right now. > > While reading Dan's letter, I can totally see SWinxter jocking Dan & Co at > the parties, similar to how Humpty Vision would jock the turntables when > Allen and I would be playin' in LA during the old Plug Research days...hoping > to catch a glimpse of the record label that was spinning. I purposely > blocked his view and suggested he go and do his homework. > > There's gotta be some level of respect paid. The way I see it, if you have > to think about it twice, then give the props that are due. Dan's gripes are > justified, and whether or not it's 'standard practice' to do what Jinx did > has no bearing on the validity of Dan's argument. > > Also, it's pretty weak to attack Dan for not putting out enough records. > That too has nothing to do with this discussion. > > JB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 4:30 PM > To: Sakari Karipuro > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [313] Bell vs Wink > > > Haven't you all figured out...ALL OF THIS MUSIC SOUNDS ALIKE! > > But seriously, over the years, as I've listened to more and more > electronic music, I've been amazed how many time I found out my favorite > part of a track was a sample of a sample of a sample. > > Yeah, the Wink track sounds like the Bell track. So what! Think about how > many tracks use the same elements and how many more sound alike. > > I don't particualrly think that the Wink track is good. Actually, it kinda > sucks. But I think its rather immature for Bell to call him out like that. > It doesn't seem like Wink did anythign that isn't standard practive in > this music. > > This also isn't the first time I've heard bitching about Dan Bell's style > getting ripped off (though it is admittedly the first time Ive heard it > directly from Dan)- but I think the point I'm trying to make is that Dan > quite apparantly has sour grapes with Wink. He also certainly has sour > grapes with Plus 8. That's a lot of sour grapes for someone who's only put > out a few records and none for a very long time. > > Imagine this- what if Chuck Berry sent out an e-mail bitching that Keith > richards stole his riffs. Duh! > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Sakari Karipuro wrote: > > > Hans Veneman wrote on Thu, 11 Apr 2002 about following: > > > > > KJ emailed Ovum about this issue. If you want to read Josh Wink's reaction > > > to Dan's letter, go here: > > > http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1 > > > 65&mode=flat&order=0 > > > > ok this has been already discussed to death and so on and so on but i > > really almost fell from my chair laughing on winks last sentence. > > > > i myself would say that wink's track is remix or cover of dan's > > productions, and dan should be credited. that would be at least fair > > considering how much alike the tracks are. > > > > cover/remix, remix/cover - its a thin line in electronic music. > > > > > > sakke > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
