If a live recording sounds good why not release it?
Music is only sound waves that is processed into an electronic signal in
your brain which triggers an emotional response.
I often find that a mediocre techno artist sounds better live because they
give their master recordings in the studio a polished production and
sometimes their music sounds better raw.

the formula for progress in music is:

sound

technology (part of mans natural evolution)

trend in human culture (influincing the composers composition)


on 12/18/02 9:07 PM, Tristan Watkins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> From: "Matthew MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:58 PM
> Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live
> 
>> I can respect the artist who takes that position.  You can't re-create a
> special one-time environment and sound system and performance and a feeling
> w/ a live CD or MP3 file.  The performance is more than just sum of the
> notes played through the equipment. It's a whole "thing" that exists for
> that moment in space and time, and is the sum of a zillion other factors,
> (the crowd, the weather, the smell of the warehouse, your drive there and
> home, the lights, your feelings at that time, etc. etc. ) then it's gone
> when it's done.   There is something more special and visceral about it that
> way, I think for both performer AND audience...  FWIW.
>> 
>> "we play liiive, we don't play off tape" -  FUSE, Logikal Nonsense
> 
> They've been taking this position for ages as well. It seems Hawtin is quite
> anti-archivist. More power too them, I say. It's their material ultimately,
> although I disagree 100% personally and find myself looking to archives
> perpetually.  It's not that I don't see where the anti-archivists are coming
> from, I just don't see any reason to be so strict, and ultimately stifle the
> interests of their fans. Clearly it ain't the same as being there - but I
> think everyone knows that, it doesn't mean it isn't a valuable record of the
> experience, and ultimately even more valuable as a record of the event to
> the thousands who couldn't experience it at all, like our unfortunate
> friends in remote places, or our friends in Detroit who never get to see
> Mills, for instance. I mean, surely I'm not going to hear [313] cry out in
> unison that they don't want to ever hear another recording of Mills. Come
> on.
> 
> I think Stewart Walker is the best counter-example to this, someone who was
> quite hesitant to put a live set online (or on CD) until he had one that he
> thought did him justice, and has since archived a bunch of performances, and
> does so regularly. I think it speaks to his mastery of performance more than
> a shift of attitude, but I could be wrong, and I wouldn't try to speak for
> him on that point.
> 
> In general, I don't think being so particular about it is fair to a global
> audience, and I think that sharing what you've got will only assist everyone
> in understanding your artistic purpose. I mean, primarilly we're artists,
> and we want to communicate our art as broadly as possible, without
> sacrificing that integrity, right? The question becomes if it is a sacrifice
> of integirty to broadcast a live show, and I think anyone who has watched
> Depeche Mode's 101, or [insert favorite tour footage here], can agree that
> it ain't the same, but is an immensely valuable service to fans, especially
> when someone like Stewart innovates every set. You want to hear every last
> performance, and I think that rather than keeping each one a secret to those
> in attendance, you ought to provide as many shining examples as possible to
> your fanbase, because they still love it, they still buy your records, and
> they want to attend your shows even more. If you are trying to build a
> career as a peformer, you need to promote as a performer. Besides that, I
> think you need to give the recorded-audience some credibility for their
> powers of abstraction. It may not be the same, but it *is* meaningful. Who
> cares if it's the same meaning? It never is the same meaning for everyone
> anyway.
> 
> Again, I mean no disrespect to those that are anti-archivist, because I
> understand the impulse, very similar to Matt's explanantion - I just don't
> think it's ultimately the right choice. From my perspective, I see
> everything the opposite of the Minus camp, and have for a long time. I think
> performances should be archived freely, and source material should be paid
> for, but ultimately you can understand why each camp wants to protect
> something, so that artistry can remain lucrative enough to sustain full-time
> artistic committment. Regardless of which side you support, I think it's
> essential to maintain artist support, and I doubt hashing this out in a
> public forum will reveal anything anymore decisive than previous attempts
> have. Besides that, I think we need to look at it all from a somewhat
> anarchic perspective. Look at the bootlegging, sampling and live recording
> that goes on w/o permission. It's all illegal, and is almost never busted.
> Just goes to show that we're all accountable more to our own moral compass
> than law or popular opinion when it comes to recording/copying ethics in the
> electronic music world.
> 
> More important than any of this, just look at what so many of us have
> learned from pages like deephousepage.com I mean, that really speaks for
> itself. How many times have we wished out loud for a Wizard/Mojo online
> archive? Most importantly it can educate those of us that were too young to
> enjoy it the first time, and there is nothing wrong with that. If anyone
> here is a trance-hating anti-archivist, I challenge you to exmine what
> choice you're giving kids to find the real deal.
> 
> Tristan

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