As far as the side-projects go, you must agree, Barny's work with Johnny
Marr and Neil Tennant in the first Electronic album produced some
amazing, severely under-rated music.


-----Original Message-----
From: laz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: (313) new order.

>
>
>I
>think they were at least as important to Detroit as a lot of the other
>synth-pop-type bands of that era, like Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys,
Erasure,
>and the less-pop ones too. 
>
Definitely--it was the thick synths and rabid experimentation (on 
Stephen Morris' part) with electronic percussion that seems to have 
caught the fancy of not only early techno mavens, but early hip-hop 
artists as well.  After all, Quincy Jones was the one instrumental in 
getting the 4-some their deal (and subsequent fame) in the US.  

>Substance...classics + rarities, and a great broad introduction, but
not an album per
>se. All of it is good though, and getting recommendations will largely
just
>reflect the listener's taste. 
>
If you have more $$ to drop, the expansive new Retro 4/5 disc comp has a

lot of good stuff on it too, including rare remixes.  Perhaps one of the

defining elements of New Order was (and continues to be) their selection

of remixers (thanks in no small part to Pete Tong).  Arthur Baker, Shep 
Pettibone, early Oakenfold/Perfecto remixes, Andrew Weatherall, Kevin 
Sanderson, Terry Farley/Pete Heller/JBO (that's the Fire Island mix of 
Regret)...all of these remixed New Order early on.  Much of the good 
stuff is available on Retro.  

But yeah, go with Tristan's suggestion and get Substance, maybe 
Technique to get a feel for the dance-y stuff.  

>Oh - you'll also probably like the Fire Island remix on the Regret 12"
(off
>of 'Republic'), although that album has not stood the test of time as
well
>as most of their other work. Never heard the latest one. Couldn't bring
>myself to taint the memory.
>
Republic and Get Ready both sit outside the traditional canon of most 
New Order fans.  Why?  Lots of theories abound, but in general the band 
more or less broke up after Technique (1989), and frankly never really 
found their groove again as a singular unit when they got back together.

 By the time of Republic (1993), all four of them had gone off and done 
a separate project (Morris and Gilbert having the cheekiest name--"The 
Other Two")

Heath

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